DOOM, or The Official 2016 US Election Thread
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sadmanbarty
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sadmanbarty
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Can we say Trump did better than expected in the election because a majority of voters supported his most powerfully articulated policy positions? Exit poll voters were asked whether most illegal immigrants working in the U.S. should be offered a chance to apply for legal status or deported to the country they came from. Fully 7 of 10 voters said they should be allowed to apply for legal status. Similarly, more people opposed building a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico than supported it. And virtually as many voters (38 percent) said trade with other countries creates more U.S. jobs as said it takes away jobs (42 percent).
How did Trump win when many of his core positions were so unpopular? Some people voted for him regardless of that. Among those who favored giving illegal immigrants a chance to apply for legal status, one in three voted for Trump. Thirty-five percent of people who said international trade creates jobs voted for Trump. And even 27 percent of white voters who said they want the next president to change to more liberal policies voted for Trump.
One issue that may have motivated some white voters is the ongoing national debate over the way police treat African-Americans. The exit poll asked voters whether they think the country’s criminal justice system treats all people fairly or treats blacks unfairly. Half of white voters said blacks are treated fairly while 41 percent say they are treated unfairly. Among the first group, 8 in 10 voted for Trump. Sixty-five percent who said blacks are treated unfairly voted for Clinton.
With so many tightly contested races, the votes cast for candidates such as Gary Johnson and Jill Stein may have impacted the overall results. The exit polling asked voters they would have cast ballots for if there were only two candidates (Clinton and Trump). A quarter of Johnson voters said Clinton, 15 percent said Trump, and 55 percent said they would not have voted. Numbers were similar for Stein voters, with about a quarter saying they would have chosen Clinton, 14 percent saying Trump, and 61 percent saying they would not have voted. It is difficult to say with any certainty, but with razor thin margins in some states, a small number of voters who might have supported Clinton could have altered outcomes in some states.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-news-exit-polls-how-donald-trump-won-the-us-presidency/
How did Trump win when many of his core positions were so unpopular? Some people voted for him regardless of that. Among those who favored giving illegal immigrants a chance to apply for legal status, one in three voted for Trump. Thirty-five percent of people who said international trade creates jobs voted for Trump. And even 27 percent of white voters who said they want the next president to change to more liberal policies voted for Trump.
One issue that may have motivated some white voters is the ongoing national debate over the way police treat African-Americans. The exit poll asked voters whether they think the country’s criminal justice system treats all people fairly or treats blacks unfairly. Half of white voters said blacks are treated fairly while 41 percent say they are treated unfairly. Among the first group, 8 in 10 voted for Trump. Sixty-five percent who said blacks are treated unfairly voted for Clinton.
With so many tightly contested races, the votes cast for candidates such as Gary Johnson and Jill Stein may have impacted the overall results. The exit polling asked voters they would have cast ballots for if there were only two candidates (Clinton and Trump). A quarter of Johnson voters said Clinton, 15 percent said Trump, and 55 percent said they would not have voted. Numbers were similar for Stein voters, with about a quarter saying they would have chosen Clinton, 14 percent saying Trump, and 61 percent saying they would not have voted. It is difficult to say with any certainty, but with razor thin margins in some states, a small number of voters who might have supported Clinton could have altered outcomes in some states.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-news-exit-polls-how-donald-trump-won-the-us-presidency/
luka
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time to hear from the conspiracy community
https://auticulture.wordpress.com/2016/11/09/same-script-different-cast-crew-post-election-check-in/
https://auticulture.wordpress.com/2016/11/09/same-script-different-cast-crew-post-election-check-in/
firefinga
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Sure enough, we knew all along - but then, who's pulling the strings of the neoliberal clique, then?
Benny Bunter
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yeah i'm seeing loads of these stories on twitter right now. I fully expect a rise in sexual violence against women too in coming days and well into the future, considering how little voters seemed to care about the locker room scandal and assault allegations.
luka
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http://wearechange.org/internet-sleuths-convinced-podestas-kidnappers-police-sketches/
podesta brothers kidnapped maddie
podesta brothers kidnapped maddie
luka
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Dammerung10:56 PM, November 06, 2016
Psi war now. The Deep State is part of this, so is Donald Trump, but so is /pol/. The political dissidence in this country has a number of factions, each with varying goals, methodologies, and reasons. But personally I would advise you to have faith in Trump, at least until he gives us a reason otherwise. This electoral cycle couldn't have happened if he weren't the man he is and didn't have the support of a huge cabal of dissident mages, both official and otherwise. In fact I think Trump is psi talented as well. Of course, the energies he taps are a little more Apollonian and a little less HP Lovecraft by way of Jeffery Dahmer.
Psi war now. The Deep State is part of this, so is Donald Trump, but so is /pol/. The political dissidence in this country has a number of factions, each with varying goals, methodologies, and reasons. But personally I would advise you to have faith in Trump, at least until he gives us a reason otherwise. This electoral cycle couldn't have happened if he weren't the man he is and didn't have the support of a huge cabal of dissident mages, both official and otherwise. In fact I think Trump is psi talented as well. Of course, the energies he taps are a little more Apollonian and a little less HP Lovecraft by way of Jeffery Dahmer.
luka
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Mr. Tea
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Further, this bears examining:
It's hyperbole, I know, but saying "the workers didn't vote for Trump" is hyperbolic to the point of being a flat-out untruth. Looking at the charts posted a few pages back, Trump's support among people earning under $50k was in the low 40s, and for those earning more, the high 40s. That's statistically significant, but it's not, you know, staggering. If you wanted to summarize the data in a single sentence, you'd say "Trump had broad support from close to half of all voters, regardless of income". Likewise, he was more popular among white men than among white women, but not that much more popular.
What I can't get my head around is the 30% of Latinos who voted for him!
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firefinga
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The Latino thing is easy - it's those who are legally here, who possibly have reached middle class status. They imagine themselves being threatened by illeagal immigrants too. Plus, they are tax payers. They see their tax dollars being spent on keeping these illegals under control. They possibly believe if it wasnt for the immigrants, they might have to pay lesser taxes (bullshit of course but they won'T believe you their tax dollar will be spent elsewhere, likely on military)
firefinga
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@the white workers' thing: Trump didn't need the majority of them voting for him. It was sufficient to draw enough of them in the rust belt swing states to make the difference. I haven't looked into the figures, bit I bet Trump was way more sucessful in these states among white workers than the GOP candidate in the former elections.
Again sad, bc those people SHOULD have voted for the candidate of the Democrats.
Again sad, bc those people SHOULD have voted for the candidate of the Democrats.
Mr. Tea
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Yeah, I know it's common for established immigrants to be hostile to further immigration, but I'd have thought Trump's "Mexicans are drug-dealing rapists" rhetoric might have had a more powerful negative effect on his popularity with Latinos than whatever positive effect might have come from the (alleged) economic benefits of curbing illegal immigration.
firefinga
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ah now I think I get ya ... well, another sad aspect of this debacle. But then, solidarity is in short supply, and only be found within the ruling class within that said class.