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Corpsey.

Corpsey.

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I dont know the exact details I just wanted to get a jab in at my friends on the island. He and all of zeppelin are poster boys for 60's rocker sexual deviancy though.
 
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Lori Mattix (sometimes known as Maddox) says she was just 14 when she lost her virginity to David Bowie. Her next lover was Jimmy Page. Now 59, she says she never thought of herself as a groupie, but tells me that the affair with Page was “the most beautiful pure love I thought I could ever feel. I’d only had sex once before in my whole life. I felt like I’d won the lottery.” She juxtaposes it with other experiences “where men have harassed me … it’s a different thing when you allow someone to be with you”. Mattix was under the age of consent, she says, when Page pursued her. Post-#MeToo, does she see the situation differently? “I think that’s what made me start seeing it from a different perspective because I did read a few [articles], and I thought: ‘Shit, maybe,’” she says. As for whether Page was in the wrong: “That’s an interesting question. I never thought there was anything wrong with it, but maybe there was. I used to get letters telling me he was a paedophile, but I’d never think of him like that. He never abused me, ever.” Still, Mattix sounds conflicted – rapturous reminiscences (“honestly, I had a great time”) are followed by cautionary notes. “I don’t think underage girls should sleep with guys,” she says. “I wouldn’t want this for anybody’s daughter. My perspective is changing as I get older and more cynical.”
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from The Guardian
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

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You get more of a pass if your music is good. Gary Glitter didn't stand a chance.

Also Bowie passed himself off as an alien without genitals.
 
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MJ didn't get much of a pass, even though his music was good. I think there was something in the news recently about one of those guys who was in the recent documentary, his case got thrown out by a judge.
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I was talking to someone about this yesterday - how I love MJ's old music so much that I've always held onto this (arguably absurd) uncertainty over what he actually did. So to that extent I think he's still got a pass from a lot of people. If I didn't like his music I'd probably be firmly in the "he was a certified nonce" category.
 
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boxedjoy

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I've got friends in Kilmarnock who tell me the football chant they've had for years, and still use, is Rolf Harris' "Fine Day," don't know what the fuck they are didgeridooing out there
 
Murphy

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His facial hair was suspect as fuck, doing that breathing rhythm effect and ooh-ah binga bonger bing bong, bit over familiar

Compare to Tony Hart’s aesthete and escapism through Morph, the cunt actually morphed. Harris had a wobble-board and shit tunes. 2 Little Boys? Duh
 
IdleRich

IdleRich

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boxedjoy said:
sorry but Rock N Roll Pt 2 is greater than anything Bowie came near to
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You may think but the vast majority of people don't - especially the kinds of people who have platforms and who are seen as tastemakers - and basically this particular issue comes down to a crude numbers game. Or at least it comes down to the number of people who "matter" and they have come down hugely in favour of the verdict "Bowie good, Glitter bad".
At least for the moment. One thing I have learned is that these things can change even years after the event. There is a saying "Call no man happy until he is dead" which I have always understood to mean that right up to the end of one's life there can still be an event that is so bad or transformative that it can ultimately spoil the whole thing. I guess it makes sense as far as it goes but - at least in terms of reputation - I'd go considerably further and say that having died with your reputation intact is no guarantee that it will remain that way. Perhaps it should be updated to "Call no man happy until he is forgotten" - although the kind of people who care a lot about reputation aren't gonna welcome being forgotten even if it does guarantee safety (which I suppose is fine in that it is analogous to the way the happy man won't welcome the safety of death in the original formulation).
 
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jenks

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thread death
The phrase is from Oedipus Rex - he ends the play blinded realising he's killed his dad and shagged his mum - he's got every reason to be miserable. he had it for a while, the difference between him and GG or whoever is he did these things unknowingly - Glitter knew he was doing wrong,. The alternative is Descartes 'I hope that posterity judges me kindly...' obviously he wasn't thinking about how much retrofitting pf contemporary mores would be going on, for good or ill.
 
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IdleRich said:
You may think but the vast majority of people don't - especially the kinds of people who have platforms and who are seen as tastemakers - and basically this particular issue comes down to a crude numbers game. Or at least it comes down to the number of people who "matter" and they have come down hugely in favour of the verdict "Bowie good, Glitter bad".
At least for the moment. One thing I have learned is that these things can change even years after the event. There is a saying "Call no man happy until he is dead" which I have always understood to mean that right up to the end of one's life there can still be an event that is so bad or transformative that it can ultimately spoil the whole thing. I guess it makes sense as far as it goes but - at least in terms of reputation - I'd go considerably further and say that having died with your reputation intact is no guarantee that it will remain that way. Perhaps it should be updated to "Call no man happy until he is forgotten" - although the kind of people who care a lot about reputation aren't gonna welcome being forgotten even if it does guarantee safety (which I suppose is fine in that it is analogous to the way the happy man won't welcome the safety of death in the original formulation).
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Glitter's rehabilitation has already started, Jim Davidson is on the case.
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Back in the 60s/70s, with all sorts of sexual mores being torn gleefully to shreds, I suppose the taboo against shagging underage girls/boys might have seemed like just another hangup. Or was it the other way around – the taboo against shagging underage girls/boys being a more enlightened, modern thing?

I wonder if one of the reasons people feel less disgusted by Bowie doing it because he was good looking and glamorous? It's like that classic thing of men reading a story about an attractive female teacher shagging an underage boy at school and thinking/saying "lucky bastard!"
 
IdleRich

IdleRich

IdleRich
craner said:
Glitter's rehabilitation has already started, Jim Davidson is on the case.
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I was thinking more about Bowie being downgraded... but maybe there is a corollary to my above theorem - call no man's reputation UNhappy until he is forgotten either.
 
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