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sufi

lala
i wrote 20,000 words on the banana export industry for a dissertation

haven't read the article but yes of course you could have bananas, ie international trade, in a socialist country. you could have banana production in a socialist country too.
Amazing! I think the article suggests that bananas need plantations and servitude to be viable
this oxfam research is kind of mindblowing, you are probably already familar with it - & i guess the situation hasnt changed much since?
 

shakahislop

Well-known member
Amazing! I think the article suggests that bananas need plantations and servitude to be viable
this oxfam research is kind of mindblowing, you are probably already familar with it - & i guess the situation hasnt changed much since?
that came out after i wrote the dissertation and i don't know anything about grain. probably you do need plantations and exploitation to make it possible for a banana to be 20p in tesco in crawley. and it is by all accounts an industry with shit working conditions when you're talking about like ecuadorian banana plantations. i've driven through the bit of ecuador between machala and guayaquil and what i remember is just relentless monoculture endless banana plantations, and that is where (well it least it used to be, no idea now) bananas for europe and america came from, ecuador peru and colombia.

bananas grow in loads of places though, like it's not like people in south asia are eating ecuadorian bananas, i think they come from like smallholder farmers. it's not like a plantation has to be inherantly exploititative either. there's other ways to organize agricultural production. that would depend on eg ecuadorian politics. i don't know anything about ecuadorian politics but when i was there i visited a union HQ and they told me that one of their guys was shot outside the week before. presumably they face the same issues of state and mafia etc violence that a lot of union organizing face in places like that.
 

william_kent

Well-known member
i don't know anything about ecuadorian politics

me either, but didn't a presidential candidate get assassinated this week? and the current president said "no rest until the guilty party is caught bang to rights" (paraphrased ) , and I can't help feeling "hollow words", because he was obviously behind it ( absolutely no evidence to back this up, just working off a gut feeling )

and I only paid attention because I was in the co-op this week and a couple of the Ecuadorian paraplegic swimming team were in immediately front of me as we exited the heavy glass doors.... I knew they were from Ecuador because it was plastered on the back of their sporty tee shirts
 

sufi

lala
that came out after i wrote the dissertation and i don't know anything about grain. probably you do need plantations and exploitation to make it possible for a banana to be 20p in tesco in crawley. and it is by all accounts an industry with shit working conditions when you're talking about like ecuadorian banana plantations. i've driven through the bit of ecuador between machala and guayaquil and what i remember is just relentless monoculture endless banana plantations, and that is where (well it least it used to be, no idea now) bananas for europe and america came from, ecuador peru and colombia.

bananas grow in loads of places though, like it's not like people in south asia are eating ecuadorian bananas, i think they come from like smallholder farmers. it's not like a plantation has to be inherantly exploititative either. there's other ways to organize agricultural production. that would depend on eg ecuadorian politics. i don't know anything about ecuadorian politics but when i was there i visited a union HQ and they told me that one of their guys was shot outside the week before. presumably they face the same issues of state and mafia etc violence that a lot of union organizing face in places like that.
latest update on the struggle for equal opportunities bananas

 
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