MolexRoots
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I tihink it's Alm's House but I'm not exactly sure what it means (Capleton's album "Alm's House"). I won't embarrass myself with a poor guess.
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simon silverdollar
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it is 'armshouse'. means an argument/fight.
and it's one of the main reasons why i LOVE Demon. 'youdon'twannabring armshouse' etc.
for me, that still sends shivers...
i also like how grime artists use 'skank' for dance. i know that's not specifically a grime thing, but i like the idea of phrasing like that keeping the links to ska and rocksteady alive.
and it's one of the main reasons why i LOVE Demon. 'youdon'twannabring armshouse' etc.
for me, that still sends shivers...
i also like how grime artists use 'skank' for dance. i know that's not specifically a grime thing, but i like the idea of phrasing like that keeping the links to ska and rocksteady alive.
MolexRoots
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"I'll bring armshouse to ya mum's house." That made me laugh first time I heard it. November 8th, Forward full retail on Relentless. Cop that disc.
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droid
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simon silverdollar said:
As molex pointed out above - i reckon this term does come from the reggae/JA term 'Alms House' which, AFAIK, is a place were people go to 'recover', an 'Alms house' is usually a place that heals the sick, the poor and needy.. a house that gives out 'alms'..
Ive noticed Capleton using it a lot myself, but theres loads of old reggae tunes that use the same term as well. And i think through the polarising filter of the Reggae scriptures, it's come to mean a place of spirtual rather then physical healing.
The Grime/Demon/Dizzee version of it is a fuck-up IMO. They obviously thought that Capleton and his mates were saying 'ARMS-house' meaning a fight or whatever, when in fact they were saying 'ALMS'-house, meaning the exact opposite..
its pretty funny really: - "ill bring arms house to your mums house!" -
how could they get it so wrong???
blissblogger
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Armshouse almshouse
almshouse isn't a JA word, though, it's an old English term -- goes back to the Middle Ages -- 1300's acc to my dictionary -- "a private establishment for housing the poor" -- alms itself going back further still and meaning money, food or other donations for the poor or needy -- there's an almshouse in my hometown Berkhamsted (the building is still there, but it's used for something else now)
i'm pretty certain the almshouse/armshouse pun goes back much further than Grime, reckon the conflation/semantic shift must have originated in Jamaica, and thence migrated to London -- there's been jungle tunes with Armshouse in the title
almshouse isn't a JA word, though, it's an old English term -- goes back to the Middle Ages -- 1300's acc to my dictionary -- "a private establishment for housing the poor" -- alms itself going back further still and meaning money, food or other donations for the poor or needy -- there's an almshouse in my hometown Berkhamsted (the building is still there, but it's used for something else now)
i'm pretty certain the almshouse/armshouse pun goes back much further than Grime, reckon the conflation/semantic shift must have originated in Jamaica, and thence migrated to London -- there's been jungle tunes with Armshouse in the title
Woebot
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blissblogger said:
thats the funny thing about patois isn't it, its something i looked at when i studied linguistics, its chockablock with c18th "legacy" english, about which point I guess Jamaica was abandoned by the UK (cringes as someone is about to hit me over the head with my historical innacuracy). nevertheless the point stands.
originaldrum
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blissblogger said:
true true,
certainly brings a new twist to dee double's
"nowadays i'm on alms just like a bangle!"
fairly anti-bling eh!
MolexRoots
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I'm fairly new to the grime scene and I've become really taken with D Double E's styling. It doesn't sound like most of the other UKG MCs which is great. My brother, who is a commericial hip hop head, thinks " 'e sounds stoop'd"; hardly an opinion to grab on to. Dancehall has Ele for the lisp, UKG has D Double, hehe.
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droid
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blissblogger said:
Defo right on the first bit.. although they only time that Ive ever heard the term used outside a period drama is on reggae/dancehall records (or on reggae record labels).. which i suppose is why i called it a JA term..
im not so sure that the punning was done in Jamaica though.. ive listened to a decent amount of dancehall/Soundclash/radio shows etc.. over the past 10 years, and ive never heard the term 'arms-house' once.. I reckon it really is just a mistake (although quite an endearing one). Imagine if the More fire crew had being listening to Capleton one day before they thought up their name,.. misheard his lyrics, and called themselves the 'Moth fire' crew instead? i think its that kinda buzz...
My own take on how the term 'Alms-house' is used by Capleton, is that its very similar to a 'balm-yard', ie: a place where healing is done or spells are lifted.. (but im probably totally wrong about this) in Jamaica in general, I think its now just common slang for any act of charity..
"Mi nah lie stilll enuh Natty but a pure almshouse you kip up on dah forum yah. *You caan start a thread about aiding Jamaica/Grenada or Cayman during this tragedy? *You too eaga fi trace oman...use you energy to something more positive star. "
from this brilliant forum:
http://www.jamaicastar.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=new;action=display;num=1095362944
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droid
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MolexRoots said:
I love his Mooey Mooey's! Although he seems to be phasing tham out these days..
it reminds me again of Dancehall DJ's - of Snagglepuss and Goofy - or Beenie mans' na na na's'.. those little vocal twists and trademarks that make the MC instantly recognisable to the audience..
First time I heard 'Learn' I thought Dizzee's "arms house" would be where he keeps his arms - a big unmarked warehouse full of guns and weaponry somewhere in East London. And you just know that whoever he's talking to claims they have a warehouse full of guns too but they don't really: "If you can't back up arms house, who the fuck are you?"
Even though I now know better, I can't seem to shake that image.
Even though I now know better, I can't seem to shake that image.
MolexRoots
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I 'eard a Dizzee / D Double collabo a few weeks ago. Think it's called "Give Me More". Any idea how I can get hold of it or anyone seen it about?
blissblogger
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another one that always stops me in my tracks:
"giving brains" as Grimespeak for "giving head"
also, on merkery -- like the way it sounds a bit like mockery -- verbal GBH, murdering other people's egos
"giving brains" as Grimespeak for "giving head"
also, on merkery -- like the way it sounds a bit like mockery -- verbal GBH, murdering other people's egos
originaldrum
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MolexRoots said:
"give u more" is is the flipside of the first single (stand up tall) from dizzee's new album,
the riddim track is otherwise known as WHEEL and has been majorly caned by many a pirate for as long as i can remember (or get my hands on to be precise)
