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[nomadologist]

I'd say if a kind of 'healthy living' allows a little slack away from the viral disease to step back and understand it's operation then that has real value.

I was also suggesting above that further to being 'neutralised', drug consumers may actually fulfill a number of 'productive' functions as far as certain interests are concerned.

Being "not-ill" with any physical disease certainly doesn't allow any "slack", it doesn't matter what your vital stats are, you're infected with capitalism. You can tell yourself you're not, but that doesn't change anything, either.

Everyone in our culture is addicted to something--eating welll, watching TV, buying CDs, listening to music, chatting on message boards, etc. So few people are truly not addicted to *anything* at all...

 

[nomadologist]

Some of the worst addicts/best consumers I know are chronic (no pun intended, heh) weed smokers. All they want to do is get stoned, buy food, buy Simpsons DVDs, go to the movies, etc.

 

[noel emits]

Being "not-ill" with any physical disease certainly doesn't allow any "slack", it doesn't matter what your vital stats are, you're infected with capitalism. You can tell yourself you're not, but that doesn't change anything, either.

Everyone in our culture is addicted to something--eating welll, watching TV, buying CDs, listening to music, chatting on message boards, etc. So few people are truly not addicted to *anything* at all...

Did you see the quotes around 'healthy living' - that means I'm talking about a condition that does allow some 'slack' and is therefore at least partially healthy by definition and by not being bound up in the machine 24/7. I'm not saying you can get away all the time - 'slack' means breathing space. In fact brief moments of lucidity will lead to greater trauma and valuable rightous indignation when the binds inevitably tighten once more.

 

[noel emits]

Some of the worst addicts/best consumers I know are chronic (no pun intended, heh) weed smokers. All they want to do is get stoned, buy food, buy Simpsons DVDs, go to the movies, etc.

Absolument. We agree.

I think loads of people use weed 'incorrectly' though.

 

[nomadologist]

What? Which condition is this exactly?

You don't have to be "healthy" physically to see that the world's a fucking shitty mess.

 

[noel emits]

What? Which condition is this exactly?

You don't have to be "healthy" physically to see that the world's a fucking shitty mess.

To deeply feel and understand exactly how 'you've been screwed over' on a gut level. To experience freedom in order to understand the depth of incarceration. To see how things might be different.

This is more than just realising the world is fucked up.

By this definition someone like yourself is 'healthy' in that you have a grasp on how bad the situation is, and what form it takes.

I don't think defining exactly what the requisite conditions are helps because it depends on individuals and circumstances.

 

[nomadologist]

Ahhh, I see what you mean. I'm interested in getting to this place you describe, but I tend to look at it from a tricky theoretical level, as well--can be tough to push certain thinkers in the right direction, as we've all noticed through these discussions! :slanted:

 

[hundredmillionlifetimes]

Ahhh, I see what you mean. I'm interested in getting to this place you describe, but I tend to look at it from a tricky theoretical level, as well--can be tough to push certain thinkers in the right direction, as we've all noticed through these discussions! :slanted:

Push??

It would be - it is - so much easier to turn them into aggressively passive eager junkies, as power has long since learned.

[Fuck this pathetic poll. Smells like a drug-pusher's 'market-research' freebie. What constructive purpose does it serve? What's your 'preferred' chemical death sentence? Maybe we should do one on Torture next ... I sooo luv waterboarding].

 

[nomadologist]

Ha I love it when people talk about "drug pushers" as if drugs need "pushing" on anyone. Unfortunately that shit sell itself.

 

[hundredmillionlifetimes]

Ha I love it when people talk about "drug pushers" as if drugs need "pushing" on anyone. Unfortunately that shit sell itself.

Perhaps 'drug-seller', 'drug lord', or 'purveyer of misery' would be more politically correct

 

[Mr. Tea]

Push??

It would be - it is - so much easier to turn them into aggressively passive eager junkies, as power has long since learned.

[Fuck this pathetic poll. Smells like a drug-pusher's 'market-research' freebie. What constructive purpose does it serve? What's your 'preferred' chemical death sentence? Maybe we should do one on Torture next ... I sooo luv waterboarding].

Perhaps 'drug-seller', 'drug lord', or 'purveyer of misery' would be more politically correct

 

[nomadologist]

Perhaps 'drug-seller', 'drug lord', or 'purveyer of misery' would be more politically correct

Ha. Yeah, well, I think a common misconception on the part of those who've never done illegal drugs is that drug dealers are "pushers" or need to actively pursue/create a customer base. Or that they cause misery-qua-demand.

They don't! No matter where I've ever moved or gone, if I decided I wanted a drug of any sort, I've ALWAYS, without fail, found myself a connection within a week or less. Often I've managed within a few hours.

 

[hundredmillionlifetimes]

No, boring ... and conservative. The all-pervasive supplement to today's passive gliberal consensus.

Ha. Yeah, well, I think a common misconception on the part of those who've never done illegal drugs is that drug dealers are "pushers" or need to actively pursue/create a customer base. Or that they cause misery-qua-demand.

They don't! No matter where I've ever moved or gone, if I decided I wanted a drug of any sort, I've ALWAYS, without fail, found myself a connection within a week or less. Often I've managed within a few hours.

There's no 'misconception', Nomad. Of course the relationship is dynamical [and with their very illegality and danger being part of their seduction].

So why don't you become a dealer, then? No need for all that searching about ... and I hear the money's real good! Might even make up with Zhou ...

 

[nomadologist]

I am a dealer, and have been at several points in my life.

If drugs are boring and conservative, you could always, I don't know, not post or read the drug thread, yeah?

It's not about a "need" for "searching about", everyone at some level has to find connections. Even if you already have them, you can always find better deals per volume, better quality, better count per bag, more weight to run for more efficient suppliers. Etc.

There's nothing more important to the drug trade than what we like to call "social politicin"

 

[nomadologist]

And we've finally unearthed HMLT's neurosis of choice! Drugs!

(Drugs are conservative and boring! [except alcohol, of course!] You can't be a good liberal and do drugs! Nope. Drinking is ok, though!)

Hypocrit alert.

 

[hundredmillionlifetimes]

I am a dealer, and have been at several points in my life.

The objectivity of vested economic and psychic self interests is always very quaint to observe

If drugs are boring and conservative, you could always, I don't know, not post or read the drug thread, yeah?

"If war ... etc, don't post or read [or god forbid, do] anything about it!

[But I'll withdraw everything I've said when I hear about a bunch of hedonistic meat-puppets (a multi-coloured infusion of sex addicts and drug addicts) sparking The Revolution ... I'll be sure to include a token few on the Executive Committee].

 

[Mr. Tea]

I don't really care whether drugs are conservative, reactionary, subversive, revolutionary, capitalistic, anti-capitalistic, or whatever other political causes people have tried to co-opt them into, or accused them as being so. They are fun, although I won't bother trying to explain the meaning of that term to one who has expressed such extreme contempt for the concept. Quite apart from this, they can be a social facilitator or a means of self-medication. Of course they can be destructive if misused, but then so can, well, anything. Caveat emptor.

 

[nomadologist]

The objectivity of vested economic and psychic self interests is always very quaint to observe



"If war ... etc, don't post or read [or god forbid, do] anything about it!

[But I'll withdraw everything I've said when I hear about a bunch of hedonistic meat-puppets (a multi-coloured infusion of sex addicts and drug addicts) sparking The Revolution ... I'll be sure to include a token few on the Executive Committee].

Fuck off. I had to leave my parents house when I was 16. I had to eat somehow in college.

What the fuck do YOU do about any of this? Post on message boards?

I raised $50 million for stem cell research--that's probably more good than you'll ever do for the world.

 

[nomadologist]

Why don't you go have a drink, HMLT? That'll fix the global libidinal economy.

 

[nomadologist]

I don't really care whether drugs are conservative, reactionary, subversive, revolutionary, capitalistic, anti-capitalistic, or whatever other political causes people have tried to co-opt them into, or accused them as being so. They are fun, although I won't bother trying to explain the meaning of that term to one who has expressed such extreme contempt for the concept. Quite apart from this, they can be a social facilitator or a means of self-medication. Of course they can be destructive if misused, but then so can, well, anything. Caveat emptor.

Seriously. It's supremely hilarious to watch a media junkie like HMLT make fun of others because they own up to their addictions.

The Emperor is naked! Sheeit, man.