Jungle

[thirdform]

Don’t post the revivalist stuff to appease me then, let’s have a discussion

not sure there's a discussion to be had.

if it's good and revivalist I like it if its modern and techy I like it I don't tend to expect a 30 year old genre to have a singularly ascending direction to go in. I'm not championing either at the expense of the other. Too much of one thing leads to oversaturation and stagnation in listening, imo.

 

[dilbert1]

Its not about not liking it if it isn’t jungle. But the Om Unit and Sam Binga’s way beyond jungle or techno. The other two in the quote aren’t even jungle or techno. Some kind of club music.

 

[thirdform]

Its not about not liking it if it isn’t jungle. But the Om Unit and Sam Binga’s way beyond jungle or techno. The other two in the quote aren’t even jungle or techno. Some kind of club music.

they're dnb.

 

[thirdform]

made by dnb producers, released on dnb labels.

 

[thirdform]

I'll admit they're pretty left of field, but is that a problem? They sound more dnb to me than does whatever this is

 

[dilbert1]

I don’t assume a singular ascending line, but some kind of continuity in form is obviously essential for identifying genres and artistic paradigms

 

[dilbert1]

Drum n bass can be whatever it wants, those people will listen to anything

 

[thirdform]

Drum n bass can be whatever it wants, those people will listen to anything

again, how do you differentiate between jungle and dnb. where does one start and one end?

Because from my london perspective they are interchangeable.

 

[dilbert1]

I’m only concerned here with what counts as jungle

 

[dilbert1]

There’s drum n bass that you can still count as jungle, and there’s drum n bass you cannot

 

[thirdform]

I’m only concerned here with what counts as jungle

right. so is alex reece - pulp fiction jungle? Because I'm assuming you should say no.

 

[thirdform]

or

Krome and Time - Virtual Reality
Adam F - Metropolis
Twisted Anger - Woodsnake.

 

[thirdform]

Digital and Spirit - Backlash
Vinyl Conflicts Own - Deathrow
DJ Fokus - Chill Out.

So many grey areas, that's what makes it better than the sterility of knowing exactly what it is a la most forms of house and techno.

 

[dilbert1]

Pulp Fiction is the beginning of the purge of jungle from drum n bass. Virtual Reality is hardcore jungle. Metropolis and Woodsnake are drum n bass with a foot in jungle.

 

[thirdform]

Pulp Fiction is the beginning of the purge of jungle from drum n bass. Virtual Reality is hardcore jungle. Metropolis and Woodsnake are drum n bass with a foot in jungle.

this is a very internet definition. I'll roll with it. But then surely for you, there's no point about speaking of new jungle?

 

[dilbert1]

Digital and Spirit - Backlash
Vinyl Conflicts Own - Deathrow
DJ Fokus - Chill Out.

So many grey areas, that's what makes it better than the sterility of knowing exactly what it is a la most forms of house and techno.

No its easy and clear. You even listed the tunes in reverse chronological order - ‘99 dnb (yes a tad junglistic because Digital isn’t a trendhopper), ‘94 jungle (or interchangeable dnb), ‘93 hardcore jungle.

 

[dilbert1]

this is a very internet definition. I'll roll with it. But then surely for you, there's no point about speaking of new jungle?

The internet is my access to listening to the music, yes. That way, I can then classify what I’m hearing based on release dates and formal characteristics.

 

[thirdform]

The internet is my access to listening to the music, yes. That way, I can then classify what I’m hearing based on release dates and formal characteristics.

https://www.discogs.com/master/185253-SoundMurderer-SK-1-Rewind-Records

This is jungle, classically so, but it sounds even more antiquated than the revival stuff, because it's not developing from within the culture. Which isn't a value judgment. just take a listen.

 

[dilbert1]

But then surely for you, there's no point about speaking of new jungle?

What do you mean by this? There’s loads of new jungle. But it sounds like jungle! ‘Leftfield’ at least assumes a field. Tempo alone can’t define a genre, either.

 

[thirdform]

What do you mean by this? There’s loads of new jungle. But it sounds like jungle! ‘Leftfield’ at least assumes a field. Tempo alone can’t define a genre, either.

yes, it sounds like jungle because its being made by people embedded in the jungle-dnb subculture.

Otherwise it'd just sound like breakcore or pastiche jungle
whatever.