The Phenomenal Slavoj Zizek

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for Zizek, the Democracy Now interviews and The Pervert's Guide to Cinema are great introductions. Pervert's Guide is on YouTube in chunks or i can hunt down a torrent. Zizek's Introduction to Jacques Lacan through Popular Culture (1991 i think) is excellent, very entertaining cultural studies, film criticism, lit criticism etc. from an oblique psychoanalytic perspective. Zizek makes Lacan entertaining somehow. Reading Lacan is kind of like dental surgery without anesthetic. But the seminars are way more accessible than the Ecrits (writings).
 

viktorvaughn

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The Deadly Jester - http://www.tnr.com/story_print.html?id=097a31f3-c440-4b10-8894-14197d7a6eef

Has this been discussed?, apologies if so.

"To put it succinctly, the only true solution to the 'Jewish question' is the 'final solution' (their annihilation), because Jews ... are the ultimate obstacle to the 'final solution' of History itself, to the overcoming of divisions in all-encompassing unity and flexibility."

Sounds a bit dodgy, any fans wanna explain it to me (i know very little about him)?
 

poetix

we murder to dissect
Zizek is a raving theory-fiend who spends his spare time building models of concentration camps out of matchsticks, and populating them with figurines of characters from Hitchcock movies. His publications have a sinister, mesmerising power which enables them to turn otherwise decent people into fanatical communists, slavering with blood-lust and restlessly prowling the halls of academia in the vain hoping of finding some kulaks they can liquidate. Also, he talks very quickly in a faintly humorous Eastern European accent, and our informants in the former Yugoslav Republic tell us that he was personally responsible for everything unpleasant that has ever happened in that otherwise moderate and convivial region. His beard should be burned and his books shaved, and his legions of sycophants should be given Cognitive Behavioural Therapy until they realise it's time to grow up and get proper jobs.

This is a 100% reliable summary, and you now do not need to read anything by Zizek, ever.
 

nomadthethird

more issues than Time mag
Interesting argument about Zizeck going on over at Lenin's Tomb between various people and the blogger I mistook for HMLT a couple of months back in this thread: http://leninology.blogspot.com/2010/04/class-struggle-and-invention-of-race.html

I agree with her on most counts, as entertaining as Zizek can be. I think it was American Stranger who put it best on that blog post about the inherent (and perverse) conservatism of structuralism (Lacan, Saussure, and that whole lineage within theory in particular...)
 

nomadthethird

more issues than Time mag
Wins thread:

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Can I just say something? As a cis-woman, mostly hetero, of-colour, middle-class, in a theory-heavy MA program at a leftie university in Canada?

I'd just like to share my experience of how Zizek is being taken up among my peers. Especially young, white, heterosexual men on the "neu-neu-Left" or whatever we now call this loosely defined 'group' of "philosophizing" theory-heads ("theory boys" as they have been referred to elsewhere) who drag along Deleuze to coffeeshops, argue about Derrida in dingy bars filled with other disaffected looking (usually hipster) youth and generally spend all their time being... subversive or something. They often engage in similar "Zizekian" activities such as pop cultural analysis of film, making 'transgressive' (and misogynist) jokes, ironizing this, that and the other thing. All I can ask is whether, in a parallel concern to the one mounted by Chabert, we might consider Zizek's popularity to be worrying precisely because it is a symptom that certain discussions -- the struggles of feminists 'then and now', anti-racism activisim worldwide, the increasing isolation of the 'academe' from the 'real' (all scare-quotes, all the time, because I am making sweeping generalizations here) -- are becoming pooh-pooh issues for the NNL? I ask this because I see Zizek as a figure with whom so many of my (white, hetero, male) friends form the ultimate relation of transference: he is the person that absolves the new generation of guilty white straight men of their responsibility for political praxis while simultaneously guaranteeing them a set of performative idiosyncracies that assauge the insecurities of their masculine identifications. "He's an academic" -- so we excuse him the responsibility for what he says and what he does or does not do? "He's an academic and -so am I-" -- thus dissolving responsibility for the new masculinist irony that takes no political responsibilities for what is said and what is not done. I'm not saying that Zizek doesn't have interesting things to say. But perhaps there are two simultaneous conversations happening here: on the one hand there is the question of what it is that he writes (literally, Zizek's "content") and the function that he plays for the NNL (more allegorically, that which Zizek "does")... Two functions which are, of course, never hermetically sealed away from one another. Sorry for having only done a quick scan of the comments and entered by way of excerpting my comment from a longer-running conversation with a friend who feels similarly uncomfortable with the 'phenomenon' of Zizek.

Also: I identified myself positionally because let's not assume that people all "read" Zizek in the same way, and let's not assume he intends to have the same effects on all of us. If I find him, more often than not, some variation on violent-exclusionary-aggressive, it is because I cannot read him any other way given my history and my experiences. Surely we might consider the curious distribution of his popularity on the Left to be a question of interest
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
Hmm, I find it renders much more directly the traumatic-subversive-creative-explosive power of feminine subjectivity.

I know nothing about him (he's not that well-known really outside academic circles and having a cool name, is he?), but is Zizek a bit like philosophy's answer to Houellebecq? :eek:

Mind you, I did watch that Pervert's Guide to Cinema (well, the bits i could find on youtube), and I liked his reading of Lynch. Are any of his essays on Lynch up on the internet for free?
 
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grizzleb

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Hunners of essays online I think. Say what you like about some of the peeps who are into him (who would have been doing the same thing quoting Neitzsche 40 years ago, Habermas 30 years ago etc) but much of his chat is thought-provoking and interesting. I'm sure there's lots of stuff you could pick with him, especially re the psuedo racist/sexist slant he goes for, but all his books I've read have always been lively, entertaining and thought-provoking. Though he seems to just chop up and re-edit alot of his material which is a bit weak.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
Hunners of essays online I think. Say what you like about some of the peeps who are into him (who would have been doing the same thing quoting Neitzsche 40 years ago, Habermas 30 years ago etc) but much of his chat is thought-provoking and interesting. I'm sure there's lots of stuff you could pick with him, especially re the psuedo racist/sexist slant he goes for, but all his books I've read have always been lively, entertaining and thought-provoking. Though he seems to just chop up and re-edit alot of his material which is a bit weak.

Yeah, just being a cult figure amongst a particular, well, fraternity with annoying tendencies, doesn't make the work bad per se. Pseudo-racist/sexist slants are more worrying tho.

Interested to read the Lynch thing tho - didn't realise it was a whole book.
 

grizzleb

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His point is a bit more subtle, but there is an argument to be made. I think the problem that that poster had was that it allows that type of person a guilt-free means of making these jokes, under the guise of being subversive "I'm actually undermining racism/etc"

I do like big Zizek though. The Lynch stuff is really interesting and fun.
 
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Tentative Andy

I'm in the Meal Deal
I appreciate Zizek's analysis of ideology and how it operates, and I feel that it's actually aided how I understand current media and political discourse.
I'm much less comfortable with him when he's preaching his own ideology, as it were, and I feel like this side of his work has become more and more dominant. It's not so much that I disagree with his political views totally, but I think they're full of confusions and contradictions and contatin some potentially dangerous elements. The bottom line is that I don't think they're the best way for socialism to go forward.
I'm also increasingly of the opinion that the raising up of x reactionary/offensive viewpoint under the guise of 'but I'm just promoting debate' is dishonest and unhelpful. But this is something I need to think about more, and obviously extends much wider than just Zizek.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
His point is a bit more subtle, but there is an argument to be made. I think the problem that that poster had was that it allows that type of person a guilt-free means of making these jokes, under the guise of being subversive "I'm actually undermining racism/etc"

which is a huge contemporary problem, generally speaking. 'irony' has a lot to answer for (as does Ricky Gervais, obviously).

edit: which Andy just said, in fact.

People use the flak jacket of irony to say appalling things very frequently.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.

i like this clip. of course he forgets that men narrativise sex incredibly, so the view of women as Other is a bit tiresome, but, altogether, very interesting subject if he could get past that.
 

Tentative Andy

I'm in the Meal Deal
Does Zizek even have an ideology?

State communism.
Christianity without the belief in god bit.
'The West' as an historical ideal.

Of course, as chabert points out in the debate that you linked to, a degree of deniability and wriggle-room is very much built into the style of his writing (so in that sense you're right). But if you read through even a small fraction of his work, he's clearly much more sympathetic to some viewpoints than others.
 
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