anti-BNP tactical vote for English folk on June 4th

[don_quixote]

a grimmer laugh because no one fucking cares what he answers,

 

[alex]

hazel blears really fucked Brown over in my opinion, what a way to follow suit & show your loyalty.

agree with voting labour just to spite the media..although dont think most people will.

Glad smith has gone also, she was spoliling my hobbies.

 

[crackerjack]

hazel blears really fucked Brown over in my opinion, what a way to follow suit & show your loyalty.

It was a bit of tit for tat, wasn't it. Brown wasn't exactly playing nice by her.

The current state is unsustainable. You can't have a wounded beast running the party, but there's no saviour in waiting, just DOOM.

 

[IdleRich]

I went for Green. Which I pretty much plan to do for the forseeable future. I think doing that keeps important issues on the agenda and it seems that that is about the most I can hope for from voting.
Definitely fascinating (maybe not the right word - compelling perhaps?) watching the parliamentary labour party fall apart. Purnell last night - who next? Getting their knickers in a twist about whether or not Brown should go is a massive distraction anyway, keep him or kill him they won't win the election.

 

[john eden]

But surely the whole thing about Brown is about who will get the blame for them losing the election?

 

[IdleRich]

Maybe. But you would think he would be a handy culprit when he falls on his sword after the elections - why bring someone else in now to taint them with that inevitable failure? Presumably they still think they can win with a different leader.

 

[crackerjack]

But surely the whole thing about Brown is about who will get the blame for them losing the election?

Ken L gave a pretty disgraceful performance on Newsnight yesterday, describing the whole thing as a rightwing Blairite coup and claiming the people fiddling expenses are the ones doing the plotting. Kinda rich from the man who gave us Lee Jaspar, but a dangerous sign that parts of the party are more than ready to relapse into sectarianism.

 

[crackerjack]

Maybe. But you would think he would be a handy culprit when he falls on his sword after the elections - why bring someone else in now to taint them with that inevitable failure? Presumably they still think they can win with a different leader.

No, they just think they might lose less badly.

 

[BareBones]

a bit of a grim laugh

this is basically politics/elections in a nutshell for me.

And life.

 

[craner]

Vanessa Feltz was loving it on London Live this morning.

 

[don_quixote]

im pleased for her. she must live a very sad life.

 

[subvert47]

Conservative 4,012,600 28.6% 24
UK Independence Party 2,440,438 17.4% 13
Labour 2,151,907 15.3% 11
Liberal Democrats 1,953,575 13.9% 10
Green Party 1,223,303 8.7% 2
British National Party 916,424 6.5% 2

:slanted:

seems like the Blairite project to eradicate the entire core Labour support has been completed and they can now be consigned to the dustbin of history

 

[IdleRich]

So why is it that the left has got a kicking (almost) all over Europe regardless of which side is in power and how well they are doing?

 

[alex]

To be honest I dont know why we need to be part of a European Parliment, surely we are able to govern ourselves as a country?, why do we need other sticking there hoars in??

 

[IdleRich]

"To be honest I dont know why we need to be part of a European Parliment, surely we are able to govern ourselves as a country?, why do we need other sticking there hoars in??"

There is a lot more to it than the traffic in women although I'm not a fan of that either.

 

[subvert47]

So why is it that the left has got a kicking (almost) all over Europe regardless of which side is in power and how well they are doing?

Yes, and I don't know why — though it doesn't apply to Labour who have nothing left about them at all anymore.

 

[subvert47]

To be honest I dont know why we need to be part of a European Parliment, surely we are able to govern ourselves as a country?, why do we need other sticking there hoars in??

Anything that takes power away from the wankers at Westminster is good as far as I'm concerned.

 

[alex]

Anything that takes power away from the wankers at Westminster is good as far as I'm concerned.

Do you not think that its like throwing money into a black whole...were paying for literally fuck all, the expense scandal is a way of taking your attention to how much goes into that fucking EU Parliment im telling you, what a fucking waste.

 

[subvert47]

Do you not think that its like throwing money into a black whole...were paying for literally fuck all, the expense scandal is a way of taking your attention to how much goes into that fucking EU Parliment im telling you, what a fucking waste.

Personally I wasn't that bothered about the expenses scandal — so they put in claims for a load of stupid stuff because they could, so what. The money's peanuts compared to how much has been lost selling off public sector assets to profiteers and blowing people up in Iraq.

 

[IdleRich]

"Personally I wasn't that bothered about the expenses scandal — so they put in claims for a load of stupid stuff because they could, so what. The money's peanuts compared to how much has been lost selling off public sector assets to profiteers and blowing people up in Iraq."

Very true but I'm not surprised that people have gone mental about it. It's a lot easier to write an article about how someone has claimed for a porn film than it is to explain all the details of a PFI deal. Also, the expenses thing does seem like the final straw and I can totally see why people see it as a demonstration of absolute contempt for the people they are supposed to be representing.