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nomadologist
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I agree!
Right, so you're celibate? And if your girlfriend got pregnant tomorrow you'd both have it and live happily ever after?
How old are you? 40?
I agree!
I just want to know with all the people who are anti-abortion, y'know, what exactly are you going to do to stop people from having them? Are you going to shackle them to a bed until it's delivered and then make them look after it? I mean, please.
I just want to know with all the people who are anti-abortion, y'know, what exactly are you going to do to stop people from having them? Are you going to shackle them to a bed until it's delivered and then make them look after it? I mean, please.
Wouldn't you think men would be all for abortion on demand? Especially if it meant more consequence-free sex for them? It's only their mommyhood fetishizing that makes some sort of moral imperative out of social principles leftover from a bygone pre-technological/scientific era.
And if your girlfriend got pregnant tomorrow you'd both have it and live happily ever after?
We would do the former and live in hope of the latter.
Regarding 'action' and abortion, I would have to consider to what extent I want legislation to represent or enforce the Ethical Good. Luckily, my remit doesn't go as far as legislation or organising witch hunts; I just deal with ethics.
Medical ethics directly deals with cause and effect, to try and opt out by saying you're 'just' dealing with ethics means you haven't thought this through at all.
Nomadologist has finally said it (something that I concluded years ago, after many debates like this) - it's none of our (men's) business ultimately; we can't get pregnant, accidentally or otherwise! Once you accept that, then surely you have to come down on the pro-choice side, whatever the difficulties with the rational ethical debate, which seems to be fundamentally unresolvable, right down to the language used e.g. "killing a foetus/baby/person" vs. "terminating an unwanted pregnancy". I really believe that only women should be allowed to vote on the issue.
And you just have to draw the line somewhere, don't you? So a certain number of weeks into the pregnancy seems to be as good as any quasi-arbitrary point to draw it, which balances some notion of respect for the developing baby with the right to terminate the pregnancy.
I would like to think that the moment of conception makes for a somewhat more definite line than a 'quasi-arbitrary point', for reasons given previously.
Oh please. Are you gonna cry, scream murder or even be bothered if someone in a lab drops a petri dish with 3 impregnated eggs on the floor? Didn't think so.
This is the ancient Italian form of birth control. Works like a charm.
Where the fuck did you get this idea? Anecdotally, in my experience, I have noticed that it's mostly men who care about this issue. I know a lot of women who claim they'd never have an abortion themselves, but most of them admit it's too personal and devisive an issue to leave in the hands of the government. Even then, these are, in every case I can think of, women who've never experienced an unwanted pregnancy.
I don't think we can rely on crude 'empathy' here - it hasn't prevented things like slavery and genocide, after all.