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Bingo.
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Bingo.
noel emits
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'Spirituality' in this sense doesn't mean a belief in 'spirits'. It's a way of talking about a totality of being / experience / ontology / consciousness. Maybe you're thinking of spiritualism?
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*ding ding ding* the problematic radar is going off
This is an essentialist argument you're making. There is no "essence" of humanity, Being is just being-thrown, you're here, we're here, there is no such thing as "humanity" as such.
This is an essentialist argument you're making. There is no "essence" of humanity, Being is just being-thrown, you're here, we're here, there is no such thing as "humanity" as such.
noel emits
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In your paradigm I think the term is 'mental health'. OK? It's pretty simple.
though to bring this back to my first comment. I was trying to say how (I think) I would actually fit the model of what is supposed to be normal and healthy in a capitalist society pretty well, while simultaneously realizing the problems with those definitions. So criticizing a position (such as zhao's) for slotting nicely into an already existing ideological positiion is not necessarily a fair move. There are a lot of different ways to move from a position of "normalcy" or "health" and some of them can be quite productive.
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No, in my "paradigm" the term for ontology is not mental health.
Christ I wish I was autistic... unfortunately all too painfully aware of social discourses of power. I dream of being autistic... or feeling nothing at all... unfortunately the very opposite is true... tho definitely suffering from behavioural difficulties from a young age fo sho...
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No, the problem I had with what Zhao was saying was that it was a) essentialist, and b) all over the place ideologically. On the one hand, he wants to disavow capitalism, on the other, he ignores the very psychic structures capitalism has advanced on the world. For a minute, he wants to talk like he agrees with Deleuze, then he wants to talk about how eating meat is "bad" for your machine because it makes you "unhealthy" in what I consider to be a capitalism-inflected Eastern-IST set of principles.
noel emits
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You're missing something very big and important then I think. Or just being habitually argumentative.
I'm trying to make these ideas connect - I said 'spiritual wellbeing' - you know full well what that means. You call it 'mental health'.
You are not trying to connect these ideas or get to something worthwhile - you are just interested in arguing over terms. It's boring.
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Do explain what it is that I am missing?
Gek, we've talked about this before (capitalism and health seems to be the issue of the month here!)--it's the inhuman subject that has all sorts of ontological potential.
Gek, we've talked about this before (capitalism and health seems to be the issue of the month here!)--it's the inhuman subject that has all sorts of ontological potential.
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But mental health and ontological "reality" or "Being" are not equivalent terms. If you're bored, you can always stop responding.
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No I don't, because mental health has nothing to do with spiritual wellbeing. This is pretty much the antithesis of everything I believe.
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noel emits
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Is what I said - I was using a number of terms, not just the one, in an attempt to communicate.
That said I do happen to think that ontological outlook is a huge part of 'mental health'. Absolutely. It's also a major way to resist systems. Isn't that what critical theory is for?
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Seriously, though--the cyborg?
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Ever read Heidegger?
You might start with "The Question Concerning Technology"--discusses ontology and technology at length.
D&G's ontology is really complicted, to understand this I'd (imagine this) recommend Badiou's Deleuze, The Clamor of Being