bassnation
the abyss
hey, i never said its what i believe. thanks for the nuanced and well-thought out argument though.
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hey, i never said its what i believe. thanks for the nuanced and well-thought out argument though.
on the other hand i do remember reading something in university about psychological motivation behind art-making. and the conclusion was... mostly to get laid. well, be admired/get laid.
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
For heterosexual men, the ultimate goal: for all men to want to buy you a drink, and for all women to want to sleep with you.
It is indicative of the fragile fabric of the UK that James Nesbitt (allegedly) fits this description in our country.
bassnation
the abyss
For heterosexual men, the ultimate goal: for all men to want to buy you a drink, and for all women to want to sleep with you.
It is indicative of the fragile fabric of the UK that James Nesbitt (allegedly) fits this description in our country.
and for gay men its reversed? actually i couldn't care less about men buying me drinks, but i could buy into the latter part of the statement as a life goal.
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
For gay men...I'm not sure actually.
Maybe that amorphous quality of 'respect' is nearer to the mark re other men.
yeah sure... when they are not treating each other like sex objects / prey. i was propositioned recently at Berghain, and i felt like such... a piece of meat, by the way these guys approach.
CHAOTROPIC
on account
Would it be the same as for many women? "Young & beautiful forever"? An unreachable goal of course, doomed to disappointment.
CHAOTROPIC
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I was in a bar in Chicago, sitting at a table where, at the other end, there happened to be an attractive woman on her own, & watched the hordes of predatory men descend. She was forced to deal with them politely as they, quite literally, surrounded her. I don't go to straight 'bars' often & it was quite a disconcerting experience.
If I were a woman, I think men would scare the living shit out of me.
Yeah, I guess for gay men the goal is to have all men to want to sleep with you and the ones you respect to want to buy you a drink.
mixed_biscuits
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I briefly went out with a very fit girl - worse (I thought) than blokes' leering was the pure hatred in other women's stares. :slanted:
It was as much as of an education as walking round town centres with people who are physically disfigured (or who even just look slightly odd) - so many total strangers making negative comments. Some people's experiences of public life are markedly different to that of the majority.
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hatred in stares yeah, i can't quite figure negative comments aimed randomly in public just for that, unless the concerned are both 15 year old girls in a small town
fit (term of reference in south london, so) girls usually get 'complimentary' comments or advances from adolescents and other dickheads
fit (term of reference in south london, so) girls usually get 'complimentary' comments or advances from adolescents and other dickheads
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nomadologist
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bleh, the whole patently false, sophomoric, allegedly "biological" idea that all human activities can be reduced to a sort of mating call bothers me. this is like saying all sexuality can be "biologically" reduced to the urge to procreate.
wrong.
there are all sorts of functions served by human activities like art, and sex. not the least of which is a social function--the need for living things to interact and communicate with others through whatever means (an evolutionary strategy and advantage unto itself) is at least as strong as the urge to push out children you can't necessary afford to feed (which would be an evolutionary disadvantage to you and them).
wrong.
there are all sorts of functions served by human activities like art, and sex. not the least of which is a social function--the need for living things to interact and communicate with others through whatever means (an evolutionary strategy and advantage unto itself) is at least as strong as the urge to push out children you can't necessary afford to feed (which would be an evolutionary disadvantage to you and them).
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nomadologist
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I've heard a lot of men say this about dating attractive women, and it seems to be their first experience with the average female's everyday reality, i.e. "the world feels like a meat market and I've just been chopped up for immediate consumption." Welcome to our nightmare.
I do not consider myself an exceptionally "fit" person, especially not in NYC where there are millions of beautiful and well-built women. But am I spared from being groped on the busy subway in the summer by creepy pervs? Or flashed by the disgusting public masturbators? In my old neighborhood I could be wearing sweatpants, hadn't showered yet or slept in three days, no makeup, no hairstyle and I would still get harassed from the second I stepped out my door till I came back.
But what disgusts me most are the overwhelming numbers of men who are 40 years + who leer at the girls in Catholic school uniforms, most of them no more than 14. Usually I give them an evil ice grill till they get embarrassed and stop. Those and the old men who stand outside playgrounds leering.
STN
sou'wester
The worst thing in this respect, as a chap, is people acting as if you own your female friends/girlfriend. 'Oh yeah love, you're really beautiful, sorry mate just had to say it'. Piss OFF! Obviously being apologised to by creepy weirdos is much better than being leered at by creepy weirdos but it's still annoying.
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sou'wester
I think it's a tactic to try and make you look like the dickhead in the situation, i.e. if you react with disapproval to this unwanted attention then suddenly you're the macho twat.
I have one friend who suffers particularly badly from this but I can't think of a single woman I know who hasn't had some complete cockfactory emerge at one time or another to pass comment on something or another. Then act all affronted ('why can't you take a compliment?') when she's less than delighted by their attentions.
I have one friend who suffers particularly badly from this but I can't think of a single woman I know who hasn't had some complete cockfactory emerge at one time or another to pass comment on something or another. Then act all affronted ('why can't you take a compliment?') when she's less than delighted by their attentions.
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UFO over easy
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I'm constantly surprised by stuff like this. It just doesn't seem to fit in to my experience of life at all I sometimes get very paranoid that girls think I'm leering if I catch their eye for a nanosecond in the street...
This is just so, so weird as well. Has anyone had it happen to them in London? A close friend, who's really beautiful, moved to Paris in September to study for a year and it's happened to her three times already..
I sometimes get very paranoid that girls think I'm leering if I catch their eye for a nanosecond in the street...nomadologist said:
This is just so, so weird as well. Has anyone had it happen to them in London? A close friend, who's really beautiful, moved to Paris in September to study for a year and it's happened to her three times already..
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preppy-kei
I find the mentality behind leering at women, making comments, groping them self-defeating. Why would you want to put yourself in a situation where you come off as desparate, overwhelmed, overpowered by a woman's beauty to the point where you can't control yourself? Looking like a sad bastard who's never seen an attractive woman before?
"I sometimes get very paranoid that girls think I'm leering if I catch their eye for a nanosecond in the street..."
lol, I get this too. Or If I'm in a work enviroment with an attractive woman and I have to be hyper-aware about not showing any attraction or flirting at all.
"I sometimes get very paranoid that girls think I'm leering if I catch their eye for a nanosecond in the street..."
lol, I get this too. Or If I'm in a work enviroment with an attractive woman and I have to be hyper-aware about not showing any attraction or flirting at all.