Tom Cruise scientology video

UFO over easy

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I don't want to click on any links or anything cos I'm at work but did anyone go to that thing on the 10th? I'm quite disappointed I only just read this thread, sounds like it would've been interesting just to observe. And a fun opportunity to make a badass superhero mask.

I had no idea they were so big, they've even got a massive cruise ship or something its ridiculous.

I found this sentence really funny by the way :D It sounds like a really awesome chinese whisper or something

Dusty said:
I can't see Scientology ever gaining a serious foothold in the UK - people are just too bitter and cynical to fall en-masse for stress tests.

There's a lot of very rich people looking for reasons why they're so bitter. Cynicism and depression if anything makes you more vulnerable to this crap imo..
 

Sick Boy

All about pride and egos
From the Toronto, Canada protests:

One protester possessed a cap gun, however other protesters in his vicinity quickly pointed him out to the police, who confiscated it without charge.

A Church member was seen throwing rock salt at some protesters for a short period of time, but later went back into the Church."

God bless Canada. :D
 

mistersloane

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I don't want to click on any links or anything cos I'm at work but did anyone go to that thing on the 10th?

yeah i went down - there's an embarrassing picture of me on that tanya's website, which I searched out cos I hated her attitude with regard to photographing people. She had such a pap persona I thought she was from the Sun.

It was very sweet, high point was the crowd singing Rick Astley's 'Never Gonna Give You Up' at the building, then someone playing it from a ghetto-blaster. It was much like protests seem to be nowadays - jovial, I went down because I was impressed by the threatening tone of the internet campaign, and was hoping for a V for Vendetta-style silent protest, but nope. So I left pretty fast, didn't go down to Tottenham Court Road.

*edit* that sounds like I'm knocking it, I'm not, it was very enjoyable, just a bit chaos magician for my tastes.
 
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jonny mugwump

exotic pylon
yeah i went too- it was fun but kind of directionless really- witty though.

They played the theme to prince of bel air and mission impossible and played some will smith and the afore mentioned rick astley. a fair proportion of people had the v masks so it looked really impressive. they also played their mission statement which had a vocodered voice and that sounded really cool and really serious but their 'mission' does sound more threatening than the protest appeared.

early days though i guess- i'm definitely following this one- i hope it progresses more sinisterly than jovially...
 

woops

is not like other people
scientology wins

what a non event,
scientology apparently has some kind of attention span
 

UFO over easy

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this morning has absolutely flown by, I've spent a very enjoyable few hours link-jumping around scientology debunking articles. the thing that's weirded me out the most is an article about the actions of CoS on 9/11. apparently a bunch of 'volunteer ministers' set up e-meter booths at ground zero, targetting the bereaved and the injured, and attempting as far as possible to disrupt the work of psychiatrists in the area - http://www.solitarytrees.net/cowen/misc/ground0.htm

madness!

there's some wonderful stuff in there about their psychiatry-based conspiracy theories. the leader of the church issued some kind of notice all about how the nazis, the soviet union and al-qaeda were and still are a direct consequence of the spread of practising psychiatrists.

here's a good bit -

'[memo from David Miscavige, current head of the church]
"World War II and its mission of genocide was spurred on by a psychiatric myth of racial superiority. Reducing Hitler's army to dust, killing millions in the process, did not end it.

Suicide bombings at Pearl Harbor led to atomic bombs wiping out whole cities. Yet suicide bombings of an even more brutal nature — previously unimaginable — have now occurred.

Every one of these attacks, and endless world conflicts can be traced to a lack of real technology of the mind and reliance on false mental therapies of psychiatry and psychology. Don't be fooled. It is not normal for people to agree to suicide missions in killing others. Such people are not born, they are made. It is done through drugging, hypnotism and implanting — the stock in trade of the psych. This not conjecture. It is fact. And if there is any doubt, consider the fact that the primary suspect — Osama bin Laden — has a psychiatrist as his right-hand man."


(For the record, Pearl Harbor was not a suicide bombing — the kamikaze did not appear until Japan's defeat was in sight, in 1944. Nazism was not the creation of psychiatry; its racialist policies had antecedants that went back long before psychiatry even existed. Its 20th century inspirations included "sciences" such as eugenics that had widespread if misguided support from intellectual elites across Europe and the United States, some of which happened to include psychiatrists, alongside representatives of many other professions. Osama bin Laden's right-hand man, Ayman al-Zawahiri, is actually a surgeon, not a psychiatrist. Scientology's dubious claim of his psychiatric links appears to rely on the sole source of unnamed "officials in the Egyptian government". Since 9/11, Scientology has developed a complex conspiracy theory that involves al-Zawahiri as the éminence grise and master brainwasher behind al-Qaeda, with the nineteen hijackers and even bin Laden himself as his improbable victims. It quotes approvingly claims that Zawahiri "was able to reshape bin Laden's thinking and mentality and turn him from merely a supporter of the Afghan Jihad to a believer in and export of the Jihad's ideology." Few outside Scientology give the theory any credence.)'

what a non event,
scientology apparently has some kind of attention span

I don't really understand the second part of that sentence, but what were you expecting to happen?

there's another protest being co-ordinated by anonymous for the 15th March
 
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noel emits

a wonderful wooden reason
the thing that's weirded me out the most is an article about the actions of CoS on 9/11. apparently a bunch of 'volunteer ministers' set up e-meter booths at ground zero, targetting the bereaved and the injured, and attempting as far as possible to disrupt the work of psychiatrists in the area - http://www.solitarytrees.net/cowen/misc/ground0.htm
Apparently they were there in London on 7/7 too. I'm sure I've seen pictures of their little booths.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/fivelive/aod.shtml?fivelive/flreport_scientologynew

I suppose you could just see it as an attempt at some kind of PR. They're a bit weird so of course it comes across as creepy.
 
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UFO over easy

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I suppose you could just see it as an attempt at some kind of PR. They're a bit weird so of course it comes across as creepy.

that's a pretty massive understatement I reckon.. of course it's fairly standard practise for religion to reach out to those suffering, but where it differs is that in this case the 'outreach' is treated as a recruitment drive, directly targetting the most vulnerable with the end goal being convincing them to donate huge sums of money to the cause.

that's not even touching on the attempts to disrupt crucial work being carried out by mental health professionals on site. must make you feel pretty sick to think of the people denied that at such a terrible time?
 

noel emits

a wonderful wooden reason
that's a pretty massive understatement I reckon..
I know, I'm sort of kidding. I just prefer to laugh at these fuckers. That South Park episode is pretty fantastic.

But then in terms of 'missionary' work and soliciting money it's not all that different to how some other 'religious' organisations operate at all. They're modus operandi are really quite nasty but in many ways it's the same process.

The Scientologists on the ground may well believe they are doing the right thing, just as Christian missionaries did when they were trying to civilise the savages. And they both get they're psychological claws into people by offering these outlandish mythical worldviews as being the truth.
 
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UFO over easy

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The Scientologists on the ground may well believe they are doing the right thing, just as Christian missionaries did when they were trying to civilise the savages.

Of course they do, all the more reason why it's so fucked.

noel emits said:
it's not all that different to how some other 'religious' organisations operate at all. They're modus operandi are really quite nasty but in many ways it's the same process.

Of course there's the temptation to look at all organisations based on 'faith' in the same cynical light.. but I think there's a difference. when something is so obviously insane, and so obviously twisted, there's really no room for error. Christianity and other major religions are vague enough to mean some good can come from them I think, whereas Scientology is such a fixed set of absolute rules with no room for interpretation.. you donate to the cause, you're donating to a disgustingly ruthless, amoral, power hungry organisation. 'Period', as Tom Cruise would say.

Mainstream CoE Christianity in the UK, from my not particularly well informed perspective, looks to me not even to be very ambitious anymore. There doesn't seem to be any real attempt to attract new members, outsiders aren't treated like the 'enemy' (L Ron actually described everyone in the world even minutely concerned about scientology as 'the enemy'), and it seems as though most of the money donated to the church goes alternately towards fixing their continuously fucked rooves and other registered charities and approved causes.

I can obviously see the parallel though, and I think it's almost as messed up seeing Christian evangelists trawling through hospital wards offering desperate people salvation. Even here though, there's a difference. With the Christian worldview, everyone is the same in the eyes of God; for them, everyone is a target. In an official memo from L Ron in that same article I linked to before, he makes it clear that Scientology is not interested in the terminally ill, or the comatose.

Check it out -

L Ron Hubbard said:
Don't pick on the very bad off [sic] unconscious cases. Hit the fracture ward and the maternity ward. Go around and say hello to the people and ask if you can do anything for them. … This is a pretty routine drill really. You get permission to visit. You go in and give patients a cheery smile. You want to know if you can do anything for them, you give them a card and tell them to come around to your group and really get well, and you give them a touch assist if they seem to need it but only if they're willing. And you for sure make sure that there is someone on the other end when they ring up. But your statement, "the modern scientific church can cure things like that. Come around and see." will work. Its [sic] straight recruiting!
 
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noel emits

a wonderful wooden reason
That's why it's actually usefully comical to treat Scientology as if it's like those other religions. The comparison makes it look even more absurd.
 

D84

Well-known member
Why I fled Scientology

In today's Herald:

Why I fled Scientology
AN AUSTRALIAN man who was a former high-ranking member of the Church of Scientology is calling for the religion to be "totally dismantled" because of the human rights abuses he says it inflicts on its followers.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/may/20/1

15 year old faces prosecution for calling scientology a cult!

The Guardian said:
The unnamed 15-year-old was served the summons by City of London police when he took part in a peaceful demonstration opposite the London headquarters of the controversial religion.

Officers confiscated a placard with the word "cult" on it from the youth, who is under 18, and a case file has been sent to the Crown Prosecution Service.

Good to know there are still papers that don't talk down to you!

Still, it's a fucked-up story. Whatever happened to freedom of expression? Oh yeah, sorry, it might be used in such a way as to offend someone... :(
 
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