vimothy
yurp
Benford's Law anomalies in the 2009 Iranian presidential election - Boudewijn F. Roukema
Iranian democracy
- Thread starter crackerjack
- Start date
One of them must lose.
crackerjack
Well-known member
so where does it stand now?
Mousavi has crossed the rubicon - see here - and Rafsanjani may have broken ranks behind doors.
There's no coming back from this, is there?
Either those two, and a swarm of allies, wind up dead/banished/jailed, or the Islamic Republic undergoes some major, major changes, possibly even fatal ones.
Mousavi has crossed the rubicon - see here - and Rafsanjani may have broken ranks behind doors.
There's no coming back from this, is there?
Either those two, and a swarm of allies, wind up dead/banished/jailed, or the Islamic Republic undergoes some major, major changes, possibly even fatal ones.
crackerjack
Well-known member
Isfahan yesterday:
so much for it being a tehran thing. where is Isfahan? what's its significance?
scottdisco
rip this joint please
Richard 'I used to have a Hizbollah banner on my website when SWP leadership liked them' Seymour, yesterday
Lenin has written about Mousavi's infamous crimes when in office in the last couple of days, which, certainly in the case of one post about two days ago, was hand-in-hand with a lot of digs at the USA from mine host.
c.f. Craner making the same point, but better and shorter.
re. Isfahan, my mate's dad is from there. he was a student activist against the Shah, harassed, all that. he left Iran around the time of the revolution when it became apparent that what Khomeini had in mind was to be even worse than the tyranny they had just overthrown. ended up running a corner shop in Staffordshire.
Last edited:
vimothy
yurp
Reading some of the comments yesterday, the line seemed to be that AN is a populist Marxist with good anti-Zionist credentials, also unpopular with the sickening liberal pansies, and Mousavi is a neo-liberal, which seems to be the worst thing that anyone can be over at Lenin's Tomb.
crackerjack
Well-known member
(AN=Ahmadinejad?)
God, Lenin's Tomb is a dismal shithole. Is there even a crumb of evidence that Mousavi is a neo-liberal, other than he's found himself at the head of a movement popular with non-Trots?
vimothy
yurp
Yep.
I think for the hard-of-thinking, Iranian reformist movement = neo-liberalism. Or something.
Last edited:
crackerjack
Well-known member
Them and Finkelstein deserve each other.
There are two forces in the world. Socialism, and capitalism. The first is good, the second is bad. All conflicts are ultimately a conflict between socialism and capitalism. They may not initially seem like it. But they are. You can tell the difference between them because, helpfully, the bad guys wear black hats, and the good guys wear white hats. Like in a cowboy movie. Now, it may not initially seem like it. But remember, comrade: there are two colors in the world: black and white. Other colours - for instance, green - are, in fact, either black or white. Green is a neo-liberal (black) illusion. Capitalism wants you to believe in green. Green is a capitalist trick. The party sees through green. To the black and white essence. Let me explain to you how this works. You see, in the beginning was capitalism, and it was acting all capitalistically, and... [continues for another ten thousand pages)
Before the US elections last year, Twitter was still a new thing,
a small start up supported by a NYC tech fund with a 'next' thing that was catching on among early adopters and other interested parties.
It's use blew up during the election , continued afterwards and with the State Dept's call to them asking them to 'stay up', it's been prime Twitter time.
Over on Facebook yesterday afternoon, we were chuffed to see our friend Judy Nylon in an information exchange with Christiane Amanpour from CNN about tweeting between the two countries ...
No matter what one thinks of CNN the corporate entity, this was more, well ... personal.
With some ring of 'local' too as last year we looked up from dinner to see Christiane ordering Japanese to take out not far from home.
Speaking to an x Iranian citizen early last week about the then upcoming election was striking in that she felt there was no way forward into change in the present condition in Iran.
As Clay Shirky says in his TED talk Vimothy linked to ...
' on Twitter -Talk some more about the sense of participation on Twitter. It seems to me that that has spurred an entirely deeper level of emotional connection with these events.
Absolutely. I've been saying this for a while -- as a medium gets faster, it gets more emotional. We feel faster than we think. But Twitter is also just a much more personal medium. Reading personal messages from individuals on the ground prompts a whole other sense of involvement. We're seeing everyone desperate to do something to show solidarity like wear green -- and suddenly the community figures out that it can actually offer secure web proxies, or persuade Twitter to delay an engineering upgrade -- we can help keep the medium open.
When I see John Perry Barlow setting himself up as a router, he's not performing these services as a journalist. He's engaged. Traditional media operates as source of inofrmation not as a means of coordination. It can't do more than make us sympathize. Twitter makes us empathize. It makes us part of it. Even if it's just retweeting, you're aiding the goal that dissidents have always sought: the awareness that the ouside world is paying attention is really valuable.
Of course the downside of this emotional engagement is that while this is happening, I feel like I can't in good consicence tweet about anything else!
There was fury on Twitter against CNN for not adequately covering the situation. Was that justified?
In a way it wasn't. I'm sure that for the majority of the country, events in Iran are not of grave interest, even if those desperate for CNN's Iran info couldn't get access to it. That push model of one message for all is an incredibly crappy way of linking supply and demand.
CNN has the same problem this decade that Time magazine had last decade. They simultaneously want to appeal to middle America and leading influencers. Reaching multiple audiences is increasingly difficult. The people who are hungry for info on events of global significance are used to instinctively switching on CNN. But they are realizng that that reflex doesn't serve them very well anymore, and that can't be good for CNN.
Older media does what older media does, but there is almost always something new tech -wise to utilize.
That old William Gibson phrase ref. in the music forum's recent thread about those DJ's who ran that iTunes scam - ' the street finds it's uses for things ' goes around again.
What's next ?
In the next week or so until Guardian Council makes announcement about some 'partial recount' ... 1. that's a good , long time. Anything can happen.
The opposition gives up ? ...
Used to be protestors shouted ' the whole world is watching' engaging in wishful thinking.
But now ... the world IS either 'watching' or able to get a proxie watching effect in no small part due to new US tech.
Iran World Cup soccer team members wearing green bands ? ( they tied the game they needed to win )
There's no time like the present.
Day by day now ... 5 PM today Tehran > wear green
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/world/middleeast/18iran.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
Virtual mosque
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/17/opinion/17friedman.html
a small start up supported by a NYC tech fund with a 'next' thing that was catching on among early adopters and other interested parties.
It's use blew up during the election , continued afterwards and with the State Dept's call to them asking them to 'stay up', it's been prime Twitter time.
Over on Facebook yesterday afternoon, we were chuffed to see our friend Judy Nylon in an information exchange with Christiane Amanpour from CNN about tweeting between the two countries ...
No matter what one thinks of CNN the corporate entity, this was more, well ... personal.
With some ring of 'local' too as last year we looked up from dinner to see Christiane ordering Japanese to take out not far from home.
Speaking to an x Iranian citizen early last week about the then upcoming election was striking in that she felt there was no way forward into change in the present condition in Iran.
As Clay Shirky says in his TED talk Vimothy linked to ...
' on Twitter -Talk some more about the sense of participation on Twitter. It seems to me that that has spurred an entirely deeper level of emotional connection with these events.
Absolutely. I've been saying this for a while -- as a medium gets faster, it gets more emotional. We feel faster than we think. But Twitter is also just a much more personal medium. Reading personal messages from individuals on the ground prompts a whole other sense of involvement. We're seeing everyone desperate to do something to show solidarity like wear green -- and suddenly the community figures out that it can actually offer secure web proxies, or persuade Twitter to delay an engineering upgrade -- we can help keep the medium open.
When I see John Perry Barlow setting himself up as a router, he's not performing these services as a journalist. He's engaged. Traditional media operates as source of inofrmation not as a means of coordination. It can't do more than make us sympathize. Twitter makes us empathize. It makes us part of it. Even if it's just retweeting, you're aiding the goal that dissidents have always sought: the awareness that the ouside world is paying attention is really valuable.
Of course the downside of this emotional engagement is that while this is happening, I feel like I can't in good consicence tweet about anything else!
There was fury on Twitter against CNN for not adequately covering the situation. Was that justified?
In a way it wasn't. I'm sure that for the majority of the country, events in Iran are not of grave interest, even if those desperate for CNN's Iran info couldn't get access to it. That push model of one message for all is an incredibly crappy way of linking supply and demand.
CNN has the same problem this decade that Time magazine had last decade. They simultaneously want to appeal to middle America and leading influencers. Reaching multiple audiences is increasingly difficult. The people who are hungry for info on events of global significance are used to instinctively switching on CNN. But they are realizng that that reflex doesn't serve them very well anymore, and that can't be good for CNN.
Older media does what older media does, but there is almost always something new tech -wise to utilize.
That old William Gibson phrase ref. in the music forum's recent thread about those DJ's who ran that iTunes scam - ' the street finds it's uses for things ' goes around again.
What's next ?
In the next week or so until Guardian Council makes announcement about some 'partial recount' ... 1. that's a good , long time. Anything can happen.
The opposition gives up ? ...
Used to be protestors shouted ' the whole world is watching' engaging in wishful thinking.
But now ... the world IS either 'watching' or able to get a proxie watching effect in no small part due to new US tech.
Iran World Cup soccer team members wearing green bands ? ( they tied the game they needed to win )
There's no time like the present.
Day by day now ... 5 PM today Tehran > wear green
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/world/middleeast/18iran.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
Virtual mosque
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/17/opinion/17friedman.html
Last edited by a moderator:
crackerjack
Well-known member
scottdisco
rip this joint please
yeah heck a lot of emigres in the LA area isn't there