GRIME- breaking news, gossip, slander, lies etc

[Patrick Swayze]

I feel like there's a certain type of grime (which actually makes up the majority of it or at least did for a good few years, let's call it mixtape grime) which is seen by a lot of 'bass music' journalists as somehow less artistic and less deserving of coverage

 

[Patrick Swayze]

http://www.factmag.com/?s=slk+lost+tapes

 

[tom lea]

the description implicitly - actually basically explicitly - attacks the work rate of people in the grime scene (like it isn't a scene beset by numerous social, legal, financial difficulties)

where does it say that it's a reference to grime? it simply says that there are djs in all scenes (and trust me, i wasn't even thinking about grime <i>at all</i> when i wrote it) who give off this impression that they put in work when they've played the same set for the last 2 years and havent looked for tunes from outside their immediate circle for just as long a time. nothong to do with grime. you're looking for something in it that isn't there.

and yes it could've mentioned score5, it could've mentioned a lot of people. but i don't think there's anyone right now quite doing it like spooky, and that's the point i wanted to make. and as Simon says, we've wanted to have spooky do a mix for ages so i dunno why you're bringing up the number of the mix. it's not like he's the first grime dj to do a fact mix - as i said before, magic was number 2 and we've also had alias, j sweet, terror, royal-t, elijah and skilliam and others in the past. bloom and hopefully darq e are coming up, and there's a lot of grime djs/producers we've asked in the past who never got back to us).

if I'm wrong - show me the FACT articles from your first few years there about Slew Dem/Spooky, about trim's first 3 mixtapes etc.

i can't because it's three websites ago and we lost all the content that wasn't in print (hence why your SLK search doesn't work), but i can guarantee you that slew dem and spooky were covered numerous times in that period, as was trim (i think he's been interviewed by fact twice, not 100%). there's big features with skepta, goodz, dexplicit, loads of people dating back to 2006/2007 when fact was print-only. a feature where woebot went to rinse fm and hung out with roll deep and ruff sqwad. simon from siverdollarcircle was working full time at fact before me and he wrote the best grime blog around; it's always been there.

i dunno what other music website had trends, bloom, cas, preditah, darq e, trim, riko etc in their best of 2012 list. who else had axiom (and, i think, soul food) in their best albums of 2007? you can't compare logan and tim&barry as they're far more niche - it's a totally different thing. i'm not saying fact is perfect and personally i'd love it to cover double the amount of grime it does, but there's only so many hours in the day and they can't all be used to cover one thing. of all the websites to target for not covering enough grime, you're really picking the wrong one.

 

[Patrick Swayze]

where does it say that it's a reference to grime? it simply says that there are djs in all scenes (and trust me, i wasn't even thinking about grime <i>at all</i> when i wrote it) who give off this impression that they put in work when they've played the same set for the last 2 years and havent looked for tunes from outside their immediate circle for just as long a time. nothong to do with grime. you're looking for something in it that isn't there.

and yes it could've mentioned score5, it could've mentioned a lot of people. but i don't think there's anyone right now quite doing it like spooky, and that's the point i wanted to make. and as Simon says, we've wanted to have spooky do a mix for ages so i dunno why you're bringing up the number of the mix. it's not like he's the first grime dj to do a fact mix - as i said before, magic was number 2 and we've also had alias, j sweet, terror, royal-t, elijah and skilliam and others in the past. bloom and hopefully darq e are coming up, and there's a lot of grime djs/producers we've asked in the past who never got back to us).



i can't because it's three websites ago and we lost all the content that wasn't in print (hence why your SLK search doesn't work), but i can guarantee you that slew dem and spooky were covered numerous times in that period, as was trim (i think he's been interviewed by fact twice, not 100%). there's big features with skepta, goodz, dexplicit, loads of people dating back to 2006/2007 when fact was print-only. a feature where woebot went to rinse fm and hung out with roll deep and ruff sqwad. simon from siverdollarcircle was working full time at fact before me and he wrote the best grime blog around; it's always been there.

i dunno what other music website had trends, bloom, cas, preditah, darq e, trim, riko etc in their best of 2012 list. who else had axiom (and, i think, soul food) in their best albums of 2007? you can't compare logan and tim&barry as they're far more niche - it's a totally different thing. i'm not saying fact is perfect and personally i'd love it to cover double the amount of grime it does, but there's only so many hours in the day and they can't all be used to cover one thing. of all the websites to target for not covering enough grime, you're really picking the wrong one.

my slk search is for a couple of mixtapes released within the last year do you change site that regularly lol?

I think I read the goodz piece.

I guess the problem is there's just not enough writing about grime in general. maybe it's not a problem. I think the certain level of cliquiness (which was fine when there were actual crews, with their own producers, DJs etc and a name that was bigger than them all to get them exposure) that exists is a problem but I guess there's no real way to combat that.

it's probably too late anyway, deja's videos - when someone like shizzle or jamakabi makes an odd appearance - are the only thing I still check for apart from re-issues.

my best of 2012 list would have had flirta, chronik, big h, roachee (opened the year with eskimo and closed it with boiler room) rather than any of those guys but fair enough. darq e is a good choice in terms of producer, Thomas Mellor released a good EP that year.

as I said I overreacted in the first instance.

 

[Elijah]

I feel like there's a certain type of grime (which actually makes up the majority of it or at least did for a good few years, let's call it mixtape grime) which is seen by a lot of 'bass music' journalists as somehow less artistic and less deserving of coverage

Swerving 'mixtape Grime' in the last few years is how the scenes got back into the clubs again and got people interested in it again.

Never really liked mixtapes on the whole. No they aren't less artistic, but the quality isnt up there with what you have been getting with all these more focused EPs, 12s and singles over the past 3 years.

 

[tom lea]

my slk search is for a couple of mixtapes released within the last year do you change site that regularly lol?

oh yeah, fair enough - me being dense there. (tho on this occasion, we did launch a new site in september 2012 and trashed all the news posts beyond the 4 months or so previous.. so lost tapes 1 might miss the cut. not 2 tho.)

I guess the problem is there's just not enough writing about grime in general.

i agree with you. and as i say, i wish we covered more. but i think in terms of sites that don't write about grime, we're fairly far down the list of offenders and always have been. which is why it pissed me off to be accused of jumping on a "social cachet" that i'm not quite sure even exists.

 

[Elijah]

I guess the problem is there's just not enough writing about grime in general.

It's all documented via youtube now. The people to are like 'Grime bloggers' see their job as only to share the material rather than critique it.

Nobody ever says publicly they dont like something. Its sad.

These guys dont react well to negative feedback at all, you can see it via twitter

 

[Patrick Swayze]

Swerving 'mixtape Grime' in the last few years is how the scenes got back into the clubs again and got people interested in it again.

Never really liked mixtapes on the whole. No they aren't less artistic, but the quality isnt up there with what you have been getting with all these more focused EPs, 12s and singles over the past 3 years.

I liked mixtapes

guess your side won lol

 

[Elijah]

Do you go raving out of interest? Or attend Grime events...

 

[Patrick Swayze]

Do you go raving out of interest? Or attend Grime events...

yeah ive seen dj magic, spooky, darq e, logan, maximum, slew dem, ghetts grim lil narst etc roll deep jammer d double foots flirta badness wiley etc etc over the years

like everyone I've got a few favourite sets sets but in general I quite like tunes or vocal mixes you have to spend time to find the gems on 3 21 track mixtapes for example but it's worth it when u can pare down a discography

 

[Patrick Swayze]

Do you go raving out of interest? Or attend Grime events...

yeah ive seen dj magic, spooky, maximum, darq e, logan, slew dem, ghetts grim lil narst, roll deep jammer d double foots flirta badness wiley etc etc over the years

like everyone I've got a few favourite sets sets but in general I quite like tunes or vocal mixes you have to spend time to find the gems on 3 21 track mixtapes for example but it's worth it when u can pare down a discography

 

[spookybizzle]

shit £60... price is fair for how rare it is i suppose. I just bought some dubplates too as it goes, not as dear, but dear enough.

Big up for that mix, i'd have to say that platinum 45's - 'deleted scenes' would have to be in one of my JA influenced grime trax too.

forgot about "Deleted Scenes" smh... next time I'm gonna have to dig deeper...

BTW just sent this to press. Limited to 200 white label 10" vinyls. Out in May. Digital release will follow in June.

https://soundcloud.com/ghosthouserecords/ghost-house-dubz-1-spooky

 

[alex]

when grime mc's moved to mixtapes it was a wrong move imo..nothing can compare to the spontaneity or energy of radio. It's what it's built for, that n the dance obv.

The only mixtapes worth checking are Wiley's really.

Found a bunch of old sets n stuff on a HD recently, going to be posting them up here. Going to try and not make a copy of what's currently online though.

 

[Elijah]

Trust me. Look forward to hearing what sets you got!

 

[Patrick Swayze]

The only mixtapes worth checking are Wiley's really.

so axiom, rsgz tapes, non stop working, sub zero, guns n roses, this is the beginning, blaze more dan u, creepers, back to the lab 1,-3, AYD 1-3, run the road 1+2, soulfoods, OG Seasons, streets of rage, destruction vol 1, lotm 1 CD, slk lost tapes, off the rail, coins 2 notes.... etc

are not worth checking for?

ok

 

[alex]

the only one of those i've owned was the LOTD CD(which I've noticed you haven't mentioned), which was shit, bar 2 tunes, 1 of which was a Kano radio rip/freestyle..so no, none of those are worth checking whatsoever imo.

 

[alex]

perhaps from an international perspective mixtapes play in important role. In the UK however I've never come away from a record/online record shop with one in my possesion.

 

[Pandiculate]

Don't forget Straight Necklin, amazing mixtape

 

[slackk]

DVD/Mixtape era was great for a bit. It did ruin everything in the end but there were some brilliant tapes and stuff that came out initially.

Don't forget Non Stop Working either.

 

[Patrick Swayze]

the only one of those i've owned was the LOTD CD(which I've noticed you haven't mentioned), which was shit, bar 2 tunes, 1 of which was a Kano radio rip/freestyle..so no, none of those are worth checking whatsoever imo.

if I listed every mixtape it would only take away from my point that there are *literally* too many good ones to name