Benny Bunter
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god, dubstep people are such a drag
someone in their 30s who's just had a baby and will probably never go raving again
ok - really bait questions from someone in their 30s who's just had a baby and will probably never go raving again: is there any overlap between the jackin crowd and the deep tech crowd? is jackin still even a thing? are non-shufflers allowed on the dance floor at deep tech nights?!
It's just more of the old man attitude "I already know all there is to know about house", therefore paying vague attention to it and assuming it all sounds the same, isn't it?
To me this self-consciously 'experimental' instrumental grime/130 stuff that was recently being heralded as the next step forward (while ironically being entirely comprised of rehashed ideas from Eski/Grime given a bit of avant-garde polishing) was just too self-consciously directed towards a cognoscenti audience. It clears dancefloors. This is seen as a badge of honour in some respects cos it just shows that its ahead of the curve or whatever, but I really wonder if that is the case or if its just that these tunes are fundamentally not that good. Well, maybe I'm being unfair or that's just not my thing or whatever, but looking at the dancefloor at Frequency I know where I'd rather be.
@rudewhy, thanks for putting into words why going to motion over a good 4/5 years has been a weirdly alienating experience better than i ever could. and i'll take 'tech house' over faux metalheadz 'uk bass' anyday.
i think there's something to be said in the differences between how the dubstep community converted to house and the grime community
i.e. the rough perhaps ameaturish aesthetic in the deep tech scene opposed to the highly polished and savvy take by guys like ramadanman, scuba etc
with the dubstep guys there was more kind of, intelligent awareness, not that the grime guys don't have the same, not that say one scene is more switched on in the other but i feel the dubstep guys were much more aware of formula, i.e. what to do not what do and how it ties in with critical reception and how the most "forward thinking" house is supposed to sound i.e. the appreciation of the berlin guys, villalobos etc
This is sort of teetering on the edge of amateurish mess but landing in the quirky banger box ultimately. Sort of relates to the conversation I was reading today in the Funky thread about how lower production standards opens the doors for more interesting ideas than a Geekazoids only policy.
the fact that this current deep tech/house wave is making a big difference in changing some people's attitudes to gay people for the better (the vauxhall connection, the fact that it's house music)
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i think there's something to be said in the differences between how the dubstep community converted to house and the grime community
i.e. the rough perhaps ameaturish aesthetic in the deep tech scene opposed to the highly polished and savvy take by guys like ramadanman, scuba etc
with the dubstep guys there was more kind of, intelligent awareness, not that the grime guys don't have the same, not that say one scene is more switched on in the other but i feel the dubstep guys were much more aware of formula, i.e. what to do not what do and how it ties in with critical reception and how the most "forward thinking" house is supposed to sound i.e. the appreciation of the berlin guys, villalobos etc
at the end of the day deep tech is "Just house", its house with the london pulse but it's house, and i think that to say terms like "just house" like it's a bad thing shows the prejudice from the jump
just getting back from siesta, dunno what to say really
To me this self-consciously 'experimental' instrumental grime/130 stuff that was recently being heralded as the next step forward (while ironically being entirely comprised of rehashed ideas from Eski/Grime given a bit of avant-garde polishing) was just too self-consciously directed towards a cognoscenti audience. It clears dancefloors. This is seen as a badge of honour in some respects cos it just shows that its ahead of the curve or whatever, but I really wonder if that is the case or if its just that these tunes are fundamentally not that good. Well, maybe I'm being unfair or that's just not my thing or whatever, but looking at the dancefloor at Frequency I know where I'd rather be.
Words can't describe how sick it was or nothing particularly of note?