but I think yall are basically unqualified to pass any kind of judgment on psychedelic guitar music
just like I wouldn't talk on jazz, since 1) I don't really like most of it 2) I don't know enough about
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To be fair though, you only have to listen to a couple of minutes of Miles Davis to realise it's rubbish that sociology lecturers buy to stick next to the pot plant in their offices, and never play.
How would you answer that question Pat? What's the outer limits?
Careful what you wish for
this is where I'm like, I don't even know what to say
we have fundamentally different conceptions of psychedelically potent music
which is fine, that's a subjective thing
but I think yall are basically unqualified to pass any kind of judgment on psychedelic guitar music
just like I wouldn't talk on jazz, since 1) I don't really like most of it 2) I don't know enough about
Answer the question patty
Say what you like about this 60s stuff but it has a naivety and dreaminess about it that you won't find in modern pop, much less modern rock. (I say confidently, not having listened to any modern rock since about 2005.) Even silly stuff now feels pristinely manufactured, airbrushed and coiffured.
That could be another connection with acid rap, insofar as to those people who aren't fans of it is probably just sounds utterly ridiculous. The babyish voices. There's something infantile about it. Something emotionally unresolved too, between celebration/partying and underlying or blatant sadness.
How would you answer that question Pat? What's the outer limits?
Another question - where is the psychedelic in music now? I did that thread about Acid rap but maybe that was just wishful thinking? Still, perhaps there's even something comparable in rap music that retains the formulaic concerns of more tradrap while making rappers sound like castratos from venus.
I've not heard many rappers talk about acid/lsd, it's more molly, xannies, sizzurp - but presumably these things, especially taken together (+ binbagfulls of industrial grade skunk) have psychedelic effects.
It seems to me that the time lsd became available to the average person (or the average turned on person) was the 60s and whatever music was being made at the time was gonna end up being called psychedelic. It's not really a question of whether you (we) find it psychedelic now. Of course the drugs affected the music and made the sound (which was dominantly guitar) a bit weirder than it was before, and then that became a style, a short hand for psychedelia which wash disappointing if inevitable. But I think you've got the question the wrong way round asking "why don't I find this psychedelic?".
Can - Tago Mago, Spacemen 3, The Soft Machine - Third, Hindustani stuff, Gnaoua, Maurice Fulton, Balearic, New Age, Les Rallizes Denudes, Wally Badarou's synthetic africa, Khan and Walker, Sabbath, Lee Perry. Countless disco/post disco tracks. Loads of 70s jazz/fusion. Although most of the miles for me is more pcp, cocaine. Asymmetric rhythms gnawing away at your sense of grip. Lots of fx to refract the sounds into the otherworld. Shifting layers, interlocking, dispersing, oscillating. Constant evolution. Tiny details you barely notice. Songs/suites as journeys. Coming back to a theme. Impending doom. Discombobulation. Repetition with subtle variations. Flipping everything inside out. Reality slipping through your fingers. The sound of the ancient. Glacial structures shattering into infinite fragments into infinite particles into liquid and then reforming into your favourite childhood pet. Hendrix. Bedouin Ascent. Most of what was posted in The Depths thread. It's hard because of all the variables. Did you have mostly good or bad times tripping? Did you have both but only remember one? Was it the most traumatic thing ever? But in a good way? Did Gaia caress you? Or was it some withered old toothless toad? Buckets of effluent? Crystal goblets of molten love? Was it throbbing gristle, plastikman or something from bunker records (wassup third) ? Sometimes I think parliament funkadelic nailed it and with some pretty healthy dollops of whimsy. But yeah, it's pretty fkn hard to pin it down. And the harder you try the further away it gets from you. Like a trip innit.