Conceptronica

[sadmanbarty]

The concept of that one is that it’s ok to cry. Interesting

 

[luka]

Good concept

 

[sadmanbarty]

Good concept

Sometimes I feel like crying, but I can’t because I’d be embarrassed. But after hearing that song I think to myself “you know what, it’s ok to cry”

 

[luka]

And that makes you question your notions of masculinity, the concept of it that you have been sold by a patriarchal society that told you in no uncertain terms never to ever cry cos 'boys don't cry' to coin a phrase

 

[sadmanbarty]

It’s disheartening that you can only muster a 15 page thread out of dissensus when we all agree it’s shit.

My natural predisposition towards this sort of this is to ignore it and just champion good music instead.

I had similar reservations about people talking about retro mania. I’m more inclined to thibk fuck the retromanic lot, pretend they don’t exist and invest time and energy into talking about something that’s good.

 

[luka]

I think if we had a similar consensus around what's good we'd have big threads about that. Unfortunately you're the only person here that still likes music!

 

[luka]

I wanted to start a thread about this cos it's a major new article written by our own dad. Couldn't just ignore it

 

[sadmanbarty]

I suppose we can all agree on what’s shit, but then don’t agree on what’s good.

This phenomenon plagued many aspects of life.

People all join in to overthrow the government but are divided on whether to have a western democracy, a theocracy or a Kurdish ethno-state.

People don’t want the eu, but then can’t agree on whether it’s no deal, Norway, a customs union, etc.

 

[sadmanbarty]

I wanted to start a thread about this cos it's a major new article written by our own dad. Couldn't just ignore it

Well we all love si of course. Definitely needed a “thank you for spunking our minds into existence” thread. It’s only courteous

 

[Leo]

every micro-generation needs its own thing: it's own heroes, movements, identities. it doesn't matter to them if the music isn't what we consider to be "good", or on par with what we respected in the past. it's their thing, created by them, and they don't care if our objective analysis finds it to be underwhelming. and in 20 years, they will be just like we are now, naysaying the next wave of shitty art school music.

 

[version]

People don’t want the eu, but then can’t agree on whether it’s no deal, Norway, a customs union, etc.

This is not a good example.

 

[version]

These are the best SOPHIE tunes.

 

[sadmanbarty]

This is not a good example.

Oh.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

SOPHIE

skimmed thru the LP. some of it's not bad. definite Bjork, Kate Bush vibes at times, filtered thru nuum, IDM, Death Grips, wonky, musique concrete etc, and (most interesting) Top 40

the more nuumish, deconstructed club stuff is the least interesting. the more ambient stuff is OK but nothing special. the more pop it is the better generally.

kinda like a less good Bjork, which still ain't bad

this is great. I hear a lot of top 40 @ the gym and it's really a good job of simultaneously engaging with and deconstructing that. it would work as pop music on its terms - as we're always saying on here, the best pop music is de facto avant and this works in that way. also the callback to/inversion of "Material Girl" as the materiality of being as prism to discuss gender identity and roles is perfect. like what Sprinkles was able to do with deep house. praxis.

 

[sadmanbarty]

Why not?

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

These are the best SOPHIE tunes

those are both pretty good, tho they don't really stand out to me

I'd rather listen to old Robyn records for that kinda thing, but they work as functional dance music unlike most of this stuff

 

[version]

Why not?

Because the vote was more or less evenly split and apparently still is. There's no consensus on the EU in the first place.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

Sometimes I feel like crying, but I can’t because I’d be embarrassed. But after hearing that song I think to myself “you know what, it’s ok to cry”

And that makes you question your notions of masculinity, the concept of it that you have been sold by a patriarchal society that told you in no uncertain terms never to ever cry cos 'boys don't cry' to coin a phrase

you guys are forever complaining about people taking crudely literal readings of things

I don't think it's much of a tune either but come on those are like the laziest hot takes possible

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

also would anyone deny there's still tons of pressure on masculine identifying people to appear tough, competent, resolute, etc, and for those things to be primarily masculine traits

yall with the lowhanging fruit tho

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

version if there's more you like put it up and if you can say why you like it

same to anyone else

if it sucks let's engage with it and say why we think it sucks instead of just grumbling about art students