J. H. Prynne

[luka]

Death of the Author is a French con, a false revolution, a wish that masquerades as a statement of fact. It's a false flag, a frustration passing as ideology, a knee-jerk to the intentionalists. Barthes disguises pleading for a different emphasis as a discovery of the true ontology of literature. Somehow people listened.

it's not really a con is it, it's just one of the many ways you can go about reading. anyway, explain Prynne to us.

 

[sus]

no

 

[luka]

look, we're sorry about Malick! don't let it come between us!

 

[constant escape]

Whats this about Malick?

 

[version]

 

[constant escape]

Sorry suspended reason. You're on your own.

I'd double down on the "american decadence" films (if by that, @suspendedreason means Knight of Cups, To the Wonder, Song to Song and Tree of Life).

Just for the record, that is.

 

[constant escape]

I'll happily indulge Malick there.

 

[luka]

as i said, they're for americans only like waffles or lacrosse. you keep it. i dont want to stop you watching them.

 

[constant escape]

Deal.

 

[luka]

i would never have gone on about it but version kept egging me on.

 

[version]

You egged yourself on. I just quoted you slagging off DeLillo where you also happened to mention Malick and you, Rich and suspendedreason started going on about him.

 

[sus]

look, we're sorry about Malick! don't let it come between us!

I just don't care for his poetry. Nothin personal!

 

[sus]

I'm an ideas/vox man. Gimme voice or gimme ideas in limerick, otherwise not my thing

 

[sus]

someone like Dana Ward, or Ben Lerner's prose, or Baraka's "Hegel"

 

[luka]

Prynne has both

 

[sus]

first person or pastoral with a volta or New York in the 70s or vox with allegory or epic and New Lyrical

and even this

 

[sus]

Pyrnne's voice/diction isn't interesting to me; it isn't contemporary and fresh/rich in the way Dana's voice is

meanwhile folks are waxing on about the "lyrical wash," which sounds as anti-idea to me as possible, but maybe it's the Lynch "out on the surface" thing?

 

[version]

Ben Lerner

 

[sus]

tbf internet vox is the only vox that interests me more or less,

which is probably b/c I am Of the internet in a way olders ain't

 

[sus]

ppo make fun of Ben Lerner, but 10:04 is still the best book of the decade, and its opening pages are some of the best prose & evocative idea-work I've ever encountered.