Election 2020

[catalog]

i do really like eco. well i LOVE the name of the rose, read it twice. one of those i picked up for the 2nd time when it just happened to be on a shelf in someones house i was staying at, read it feverishly in a few days. great book. but i never bothered with the others.

yeah it's tough doing label-artist shit on small scale, fair play for having a go, i hope you carry on with it

 

[catalog]

if you want to write an anon expose of the trials and tribulations for my zine that would be wonderful... one of the gigs i put on, i wanted to print out all the emails and put it together to make a one off document cos it was so ridiculous some of the stuff that happened, but i never got round to it / was too depressing to go through them all.

 

[catalog]

one of my fave artworks ever is when they did the first MIF and Marina Abramovic was guest curating and she had john baldessari do a thing where he could do whatever he wanted and the thing he chose to do was a recreation of the mantegna christ, but with an actual recently dead body. and the whole artwork in the end is just a white cube room with all the emails between abramovic, hans ulrich obrist who was sort of oversseing, various assistant, john baldessari and so on, all the public officials, the morue, the galleries, as they try to make it happen. and they never could do it, but the story's great.

 

[catalog]

sorry gone off topic a bit again. election 2020 yes, where were we?

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

He was a footballer who gave his name to an organisation that wrote a book called Q...

more it was adopted as a collective pseudonym for anyone who wanted to use it, people coming out of autonomism, the Italian squatting scene, various art scenes or whatever. it's really a cross between earlier traditions of collective art pseudonyms messing around with the idea of authorship and the tradition of revolutionary noms de guerre which dates back at least to the peasant uprisings of the Middle Ages i.e. Jack Straw, Jacque Bonhomme, etc

what you're describing is more like Wu Ming, a more formal authors collective that evolved out of Luther Blissett and wrote a bunch more books

I found Q enjoyable if a bit long and repetitive. the allegory for radical politics during the 60s-70s in Italy/Europe is pretty heavyhanded but even if you don't know anything about it the German Peasants War, Anabaptists, and all that is quite fascinating in its own right. never read any of the Wu Ming books.

 

[IdleRich]

i do really like eco. well i LOVE the name of the rose, read it twice. one of those i picked up for the 2nd time when it just happened to be on a shelf in someones house i was staying at, read it feverishly in a few days. great book. but i never bothered with the others.
yeah it's tough doing label-artist shit on small scale, fair play for having a go, i hope you carry on with it

Thanks mate... I think we're moving into the territory that means we've sold enough to continue... so, with provisos for the lockdown and so on, I think we will.
Eco - I really enjoy reading his stuff. In fact I've read virtually all of his novels except one which I was reading but left on the bus. My favourites are probably Foucault's Pendulum and The Name of the Rose.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

I did immediately think of Q the first time I heard of QAnon

and given the history of Luther Blissett and that kind of culture jamming it wouldn't be surprising if it started off as a trolling project

whether it did or not it very quickly spun out of control obv and any intent to troll would've been quickly subsumed

 

[catalog]

yeah my mate said foucaults pendulum was really good, one of those where i read three pages and though fuck this but should probably revisit

 

[IdleRich]

more it was adopted as a collective pseudonym for anyone who wanted to use it, people coming out of autonomism, the Italian squatting scene, various art scenes or whatever. it's really a cross between earlier traditions of collective art pseudonyms messing around with the idea of authorship and the tradition of revolutionary noms de guerre which dates back at least to the peasant uprisings of the Middle Ages i.e. Jack Straw, Jacque Bonhomme, etc

what you're describing is more like Wu Ming, a more formal authors collective that evolved out of Luther Blissett and wrote a bunch more books

I found Q enjoyable if a bit long and repetitive. the allegory for radical politics during the 60s-70s in Italy/Europe is pretty heavyhanded but even if you don't know anything about it the German Peasants War, Anabaptists, and all that is quite fascinating in its own right. never read any of the Wu Ming books.

Not sure that's different from what I said about him/them above. Four of the people who adopted the name wrote a book in that name. Later they became Wu Ming yeah, and I too have not read any of the stuff with that name, not sure why.

 

[IdleRich]

if you want to write an anon expose of the trials and tribulations for my zine that would be wonderful... one of the gigs i put on, i wanted to print out all the emails and put it together to make a one off document cos it was so ridiculous some of the stuff that happened, but i never got round to it / was too depressing to go through them all.

That would be a fun thing to do... I'd be a little bit wary of doing it right now while it's all still live and people could be hurt/offended etc maybe when the dust settles you know.

 

[catalog]

yeah ofc and you can scratch all the names obvs. the zine is print only, i only ever do 50 copies or so.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

that Pompeo press conference was intensely crazy tho

what he basically said was "we're definitely not going to cooperate with the incoming President bc we're going to cling on this fake stolen election narrative til the bitter end but don't worry, everything will continue to run smoothly, it's not like there will be a jarring transition even tho we're not preparing for it any way because we refuse to acknowledge reality"

that's what happens when you clear out everyone who's willing to challenge you and fill yr Cabinet entirely with sycophantic yes-men

not the like the next few months weren't going to be grim already but the longer this bullshit goes on the worse it looks

 

[IdleRich]

Ah well he's unlikely to read it then.... I could have a think, but I'm not sure it's an amazingly exciting story. Hmmm.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

Not sure that's different from what I said about him/them above.

it is. a ton of other people used Luther Blissett for a ton of other things. also, it wasn't a formal group.

it's not really worth arguing about further so whatever, I just thought dude's question should answered more accurately

 

[IdleRich]

that Pompeo press conference was intensely crazy tho
what he basically said was "we're definitely not going to cooperate with the incoming President bc we're going to cling on this fake stolen election narrative til the bitter end but don't worry, everything will continue to run smoothly, it's not like there will be a jarring transition even tho we're not preparing for it any way because we refuse to acknowledge reality"
that's what happens when you clear out everyone who's willing to challenge you and fill yr Cabinet entirely with sycophantic yes-men
not the like the next few months weren't going to be grim already but the longer this bullshit goes on the worse it looks

I guess we were all kinda expecting some sort of shite along these lines.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

Trump etc w/claims of mass voter fraud are basically this dude when confronted with the scale of conspiracy a flat earth would require

 

[IdleRich]

it is. a ton of other people used Luther Blissett for a ton of other things. also, it wasn't a formal group.
it's not really worth arguing about further so whatever, I just thought dude's question should answered more accurately

Fair enough. I don't want to split hairs either.

 

[catalog]

Ah well he's unlikely to read it then.... I could have a think, but I'm not sure it's an amazingly exciting story. Hmmm.

just do a one pager, write it out now, that's the best way.in pen.

 

[IdleRich]

I can't write with a pen any more.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

I guess we were all kinda expecting some sort of shite along these lines

yeah, I mean I'm not surprised

still a real bummer, esp bc a sizeable minority to country's believes it despite, yunno, the complete and total lack of evidence presented

which also isn't surprising at all, but is also a bummer

we have to, like, try to pick up the pieces as a country at some point and we even can't start until this nonsense runs its course