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Leo

Leo

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'A Total Failure’: The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump

After the presidential election last year, the Proud Boys, a far-right group, declared its undying loyalty to President Trump. In a Nov. 8 post in a private channel of the messaging app Telegram, the group urged its followers to attend protests against an election that it said had been fraudulently stolen from Mr. Trump. “Hail Emperor Trump,” the Proud Boys wrote.

But by this week, the group’s attitude toward Mr. Trump had changed. “Trump will go down as a total failure,” the Proud Boys said in the same Telegram channel on Monday.

As Mr. Trump departed the White House on Wednesday, the Proud Boys, once among his staunchest supporters, have also started leaving his side. In dozens of conversations on social media sites like Gab and Telegram, members of the group have begun calling Mr. Trump a “shill” and “extraordinarily weak,” according to messages reviewed by The New York Times. They have also urged supporters to stop attending rallies and protests held for Mr. Trump or the Republican Party.

Mr. Kovler said the activity showed that groups that had coalesced around Mr. Trump were now trying to figure out their future direction. By losing his ability to post on Twitter and Facebook, Mr. Trump had also become less useful to the far-right groups, who counted on him to raise their profile on a national stage, Mr. Kovler said.

One Proud Boys Telegram channel posted: “It really is important for us all to see how much Trump betrayed his supporters this week. We are nationalists 1st and always. Trump was just a man and as it turns out an extraordinarily weak one at the end.” Some Proud Boys became furious that Mr. Trump did not appear interested in issuing presidential pardons for their members who were arrested. In a Telegram post on Friday, they accused Mr. Trump of “instigating” the events at the Capitol, adding that he then “washed his hands of it.”

“They thought they had his support and that, ultimately, Trump would come through for them, including with a pardon if they should need it,” said Jared Holt, a visiting research fellow at the Atlantic Council’s DFR Lab. “Now they realize they went too far in the riots.”

Some Proud Boys now say in online posts that the group should “go dark” and retreat from political life by cutting its affiliation to any political party. They are encouraging one another to focus their energies on secessionist movements and local protests.
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IdleRich

IdleRich

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That's true, but the thing with Trump is so many groups all fell for him - if it's fractured who is to say that they won't all go off in different directions?
 
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william kent

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I'm curious what happens if Trump insists on remaining a political presence, but his own base fractures along with the Republicans'.
 
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william kent

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Leo

Leo

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so here's a question: do people change, and are we allowed to change our opinion of them? just using biden as an example: he's been in government for nearly 40 years and done shitty/evil things at various points, but is it narrow-minded to think he currently believes everything he did 10, 20, 30 years ago and would handle situations in the same way today?

I'm not defending biden, just using him as an example. do any of us still believe in everything we did or said 10, 20, 30 years ago?
 
luka

luka

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Leo said:
so here's a question: do people change, and are we allowed to change our opinion of them? just using biden as an example: he's been in government for nearly 40 years and done shitty/evil things at various points, but is it narrow-minded to think he currently believes everything he did 10, 20, 30 years ago and would handle situations in the same way today?

I'm not defending biden, just using him as an example. do any of us still believe in everything we did or said 10, 20, 30 years ago?
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Fairly sure he doesn't believe in anything except being a pedo. He just tacks with the wind
 
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william kent

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Leo said:
so here's a question: do people change, and are we allowed to change our opinion of them? just using biden as an example: he's been in government for nearly 40 years and done shitty/evil things at various points, but is it narrow-minded to think he currently believes everything he did 10, 20, 30 years ago and would handle situations in the same way today?

I'm not defending biden, just using him as an example. do any of us still believe in everything we did or said 10, 20, 30 years ago?
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I think people can change, but you go into some of the jobs he's done knowing you're going to be forced to make "tough decisions" which will cost people dearly and it takes a certain kind of person to accept that. Also, he was still VP five years ago when Obama was drone striking the shit out of people in the Middle-East, so we're not necessarily talking ancient history re: shady stuff he's been involved in.

The clips yyaldrin posted are really creepy too.
 
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