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greeneyes

Bit Mangler
Wiley is on point. I think he's better than he has been since 2003.

Parts of his tunnel vision tracks and the anti-movement war dub are simply incredible. Reminds me of the old days with him and dizzee, gods gift and slimzee. Wiley is BACK, nobody can deny it. He's so far ahead of any other grime MC right now it's not funny. Waiting for the new album with baited breath...
 

killuridols

Change the game
Wiley is on point. I think he's better than he has been since 2003.

Parts of his tunnel vision tracks and the anti-movement war dub are simply incredible. Wiley is BACK, nobody can deny it. He's so far ahead of any other grime MC right now it's not funny. Waiting for the new album with baited breath...

You forgot to say 'no homo'.

but yeah, wiley is so hot right now. Just like an oven. Cant wait for the Big dada debut.
 

DJL

i'm joking
You forgot to say 'no homo'.

The use of 'no homo' by RWD users is interesting. Where anyone offers any praise or positivity it is almost always followed up with 'no homo' as though it is homosexual (ie. 'bad' in the minds of most RWD users) to do so. This may be a reflection of the background of many grime fans or perhaps (or in addition) a sign of the collective psychosis I believe Westerners have been suffering since 9/11.

Denial, rather than facing up to the truth of our reality, has defined the past five years and has left us in bit of a mess. Love and genuine human spirit have become devalued and seen as weak. Revenge and destruction have risen in importance. Fear is the emotion that most defines us presently.

This situation, until fairly recently, has been encouraged by our leaders and spread throughout our populations. The retention of power and egomania are the most likely explanitions imo. Men wanting to leave their mark on history, to be studied and celebrated by their own children who will take their places. While democracy is essential, the system by which the candidates who would be our leaders are 'picked' has become grossly unfair and dangerously insular. Fifteen of the current Tory shadow cabinet all went to the same school for example.

The future is frightening and now the psychosis is lifting I think we will experience some alarming events. I'm shitting myself but at least I don't feel so alone anymore. Grime for me has been like punk in the late 70's. Something that HAD to happen, else we really sink. At least we are someway back on track, even if we are miles away from where we should be.
 

mistersloane

heavy heavy monster sound
This may be a reflection of the background of many grime fans or perhaps (or in addition) a sign of the collective psychosis I believe Westerners have been suffering since 9/11.

Glad you feel less alone m8, but I think 'no homo' is more 200 years of homophobia instilled into culture from the Victorians onwards more than anything to do with 9/11. I see what you mean though.
 
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simon silverdollar

Guest
so, the question is, will the whole Boy Better Know alliegence last now?


i think wiley's better off out of it, to be honest. BBK is certainly a good thing for grime (DIY record labels, not hanging round for the majors to catch up etc etc), but person-for-person i don't think they can match roll deep: the 'core' roll deep group of danny weed, wiley, breeze, trim, riko and flow-dan from say end 2004 to mid 2005 was pretty much perfect, i think.
 

Logan Sama

BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
'No Homo' is more indicative of the black youth of Britain feeling they have more in common with black kids from America than they do with their normal working neighbours of other ethnicities.

They robbed it wholesale from rap forums such as realestniggas.com and Boxden.
 

DJL

i'm joking
I stand corrected on the no homo thing. I used it more as a starting place for a different point. My association with the negativity (albeit over different issues) that runs through grime was more what the post was about.
 
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Logan Sama

BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
Kids are indifferent to pretty much everything other than their own egos and material wealth.

It's quite disheartening to be honest, unless you deal with them on a one on one basis and discover articulate people with hopes and dreams which get supressed by the expectations and pressures of their peers.
 

gumdrops

Well-known member
no homo was started or at least popularised by camron and juelz santana. eg - lyrics like 'no homo but i get in that ass', ' no homo but they cockin' em' etc etc. thats where kids get it from. the name ' the movement' was borrowed from dipset saying they were 'the movement' as well. grime has borrowed quite a bit from the diplomats. wileys 'gangsterz' is basically a vague grime version of the dips
 
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swears

preppy-kei
...a sign of the collective psychosis I believe Westerners have been suffering since 9/11.

...Denial, rather than facing up to the truth of our reality, has defined the past five years and has left us in bit of a mess. Love and genuine human spirit have become devalued and seen as weak. Revenge and destruction have risen in importance. Fear is the emotion that most defines us presently.


Hmmm...a lot of things have been attributed to a "post 9/11 mindset", but if you you really think about culture before 2001 (let's say the 90s for argument's sake) then things haven't changed that much. Global politics is completely fucked, but I wouldn't say the attitudes of your average western kid have shifted dramatically.
 
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gumdrops

Well-known member
sorry but is this whole 'no homo = decline in mindset and aspirations of western youth' idea serious? and i really dont know if grime should be taken as a sign of that either. grime is MUSIC and it has its own codes/way of looking at things which arent 100% reflective of its audience or the people making it. grime is its own little world that doesnt reflect everything in the world oif its artists. dyou think mcs like getto are walking around shanking people left right and center? this is his PERSONA on the mic, not necessarily who he is. not all kids are so impressionable. they do know whos talking shit and whats bollocks and what isnt. yeah a fair number are more impressionable than perhaps youd like them to be but not all of them.
 

DJL

i'm joking
Hmmm...a lot of things have been attributed to a "post 9/11 mindset", but if you you really think about culture before 2001 (let's say the 90s for argument's sake) then things haven't changed that much. Global politics is completely fucked, but I wouldn't say the attitudes of your average western kid haven't shifted dramatically.

I agree, I don't think things have changed that much from the 90's for example. But if they have then they are getting worse rather than better.
 

DJL

i'm joking
sorry but is this whole 'no homo = decline in mindset and aspirations of western youth' idea serious? and i really dont know if grime should be taken as a sign of that either. grime is MUSIC and it has its own codes/way of looking at things which arent 100% reflective of its audience or the people making it. grime is its own little world that doesnt reflect everything in the world oif its artists. dyou think mcs like getto are walking around shanking people left right and center? this is his PERSONA on the mic, not necessarily who he is. not all kids are so impressionable. they do know whos talking shit and whats bollocks and what isnt. yeah a fair number are more impressionable than perhaps youd like them to be but not all of them.

I don't think the 'no homo' thing = a decline in the mindset per se. The music people listen to though often reflects current mindsets and to say it is just music and totally seperate kind of defeats the point of this whole board and all writing on music. A lot of the MCs in grime are involved in the stuff they write lyrics about. Maybe not totally immersed in it but certainly around it.
 

swears

preppy-kei
"Post 9/11"

This is the new decade's name isn't it? 70s, 80s, 90s, Post-9/11. I've heard that a lot more than Aughties or Noughties or Zeros. BTW, Jan 2000 to Sep 10 2001 are now known as "The Nu Metal Era".
 
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