Clinamatic's venture to the rap dungeon

[forclosure]

The Juelz Santana track is based around a sped up sample of O Fortuna and the Kurupt track samples Brahmes's Violin Concerto Movement III

 

[luka]

He won't of heard of Brahms. He's American. They only know Mozart and Beef Oven.

 

[Clinamenic]

I like what I've heard of Brahms, and I just watched a documentary about him a couple months ago, but I didn't recognize what I just heard.

 

[woops]

Aimez-vous Brahms...

 

[forclosure]

I like what I've heard of Brahms, and I just watched a documentary about him a couple months ago, but I didn't recognize what I just heard.

you've definitly heard O Fortuna so there's no excuse there

 

[Clinamenic]

you've definitly heard O Fortuna so there's no excuse there

Yeah just googled it, and recognized it right away.

 

[forclosure]

Yeah just googled it, and recognized it right away.

you had to google it?...just now?

 

[forclosure]

anyway what did you like about the two tracks exactly? Santana's Town always came off as a ridiculous beat to me even when i first heard it.

The strings being sped up to a point where they more sound like squeaky bed springs if anything

 

[Clinamenic]

you had to google it?...just now?

Yeah I didn't know the name.

 

[Clinamenic]

anyway what did you like about the two tracks exactly? Santana's Town always came off as a ridiculous beat to me even when i first heard it.

The strings being sped up to a point where they more sound like squeaky bed springs if anything

I wouldn't say I liked them per se, just appreciated what I thought was an interesting sonic architecture. The first one, that is.

I'm much more visual in nature, so I'm prone to apprehending music in visual terms, at least partially. Part of the reason I'm interested in classical notation. Visual, and systematic.

And with this music I'd be inclined to visualize in terms of audio tracks, layered, blended, etc.

 

[Clinamenic]

Ultimately I suspect I'll apprehend these things in more scientific terms, e.g. herts, but as of now the scientific stuff is still segregated in my mind from the likeness of the sound, what the experience of it feels like. That said, such a segregation will eventually be bridged, and the two mutually assimilated.

 

[Clinamenic]

Not that it would all reduce to maths and base physical units, but the apprehension of it all will be built upon such things, while also spanning the likeness of the experience.

 

[Clinamenic]

That was one thing I liked from this Yale music course. The professor touched on how emotions associate with certain melodies, e.g. clair de lune feeling like a few attempts at getting airborne before finally getting there and gliding along, weightless and unburdened by gravity, and its all conveyed by a certain melody, a psychosonic algorithm.

 

[Clinamenic]

Or Flight of the Bumblebee, manic and squirrelly. Or that first movement in the Peer Gynt suite, the sunrise articulated by a swelling sonic embrace.

 

[Clinamenic]

That was one thing I liked from this Yale music course. The professor touched on how emotions associate with certain melodies, e.g. clair de lune feeling like a few attempts at getting airborne before finally getting there and gliding along, weightless and unburdened by gravity, and its all conveyed by a certain melody, a psychosonic algorithm.

 

[forclosure]

That was one thing I liked from this Yale music course. The professor touched on how emotions associate with certain melodies, e.g. clair de lune feeling like a few attempts at getting airborne before finally getting there and gliding along, weightless and unburdened by gravity, and its all conveyed by a certain melody, a psychosonic algorithm.

i mean Milford Graves touches on stuff like this in Full Mantis not just with melodies but how you say certain words and why these chords are associated with certain moods

honestly i don't know how at a certain point you mentally split the scientific with the lets say immediate pleasures but mans never went Yale such a segretation unless maybe when a song just bounces off me seems alien

 

[Clinamenic]

honestly i don't know how at a certain point you mentally split the scientific with the lets say immediate pleasures but mans never went Yale such a segretation unless maybe when a song just bounces off me seems alien

I just mean that when I'm hearing something, I know the frequency of the sound wave is between 0 and 20k herts (I believe), but I don't understand ear physiology and (nobody seems to understand) how this manifests to us as a distinct sound that sounds like something.

And this lack understanding keeps what I conceptually understand of the science, divorced from how I'm experiencing the music.

Do you have any Milford Graves recommendations? Haven't heard of him either.

 

[Clinamenic]

I can more or less bracket whatever affective experience a piece of music has on me, and then try to reconcile that with the conceptual stack of hard science. The fissure is deep, for consciousness is veritably a black box as far as hard science is concerned.

 

[forclosure]

I can more or less bracket whatever affective experience a piece of music has on me, and then try to reconcile that with the conceptual stack of hard science. The fissure is deep, for consciousness is veritably a black box as far as hard science is concerned.

i understand what your saying and it seems like your very much into the science of sound but again i dunno maybe its just a background thing but "bracketing" an affective experience that music has on me...don't think i can do that

Maybe its just because i associate that kind of distanced approach to music with alot of really midding overhyped indie music where the "ironic detachment" was brought up to excuse how lacking the music was but that's just me

 

[forclosure]

As for Milford Graves @Clinamenic i don't know how you've never heard of him before but if i was to reccomend a starting place

There's this album with Andrew Cyrille that i really like

and then there's this gem with Bill Laswell