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so i believe kode 9 is remixing some folky dude james yorkston, stepping outside the boundaries
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The following link comes from today's post at Blissblog. Long article on dubstep in Artforum:
http://www.artforum.com/inprint/id=11914
It's the references to visual art at the very end of the article that piqued my curiosity in particular. Will be curious to see if the comparison holds up after inspection of the artists named or if the mentions were only superficial dot-connecting for the art mag set.
Thoughts on the piece? Boxcutter wouldn't be the album I'd personally choose to discuss, but fair play, to each his own.
http://www.artforum.com/inprint/id=11914
It's the references to visual art at the very end of the article that piqued my curiosity in particular. Will be curious to see if the comparison holds up after inspection of the artists named or if the mentions were only superficial dot-connecting for the art mag set.
Thoughts on the piece? Boxcutter wouldn't be the album I'd personally choose to discuss, but fair play, to each his own.
"New Zealand" must be a swear word on this forum by now, I swear.
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In case anyone misinterprets - I was just ribbing t.u.t a little. And Skream has just been to NZ I think.
To be fair he did point out that most albums had been atypical...Boxcutter's falls into that category definitely. Not sure why he felt he had to talk about LPs at all, instead of just talking about Burial or Boxcutter's music, rockist bagage maybe?
A good introductory piece I thought. I still think people make too much of dub as in JA as opposed to dub as in 'b-side' but unfortunately I think that lineage is firmly fixed in the the collective conciousness now.
Hey Blackdown!
Get that shit distributed to Toronto! I'm sure it'd sell a few units here.
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Get that shit distributed to Toronto! I'm sure it'd sell a few units here.
www.playderecord.com
Asides from the Sunn0))) reference did anyone else think that Artforum piece was pretty horrific...? The stuff about the improvisatory nature of dubstep DJing-- cringeworthy stuff. Almost nothing on the key thing which links it to installation art which is its site-specificity. Cluelessly taking offhand bloggers comments and taking them as gospel (yes, thats right we can all hear the developments into an excess of treble, can't we???). Pretentious twaddle.
gek you know i didnt mind that article. i thought there were some interesting insights, and on the whole i felt it was fairly considered (relative at least to the media storm kicking up around the genre at the moment). and i dont mind a bit of word porn now and again!
just got the vex'd remix of twitchy droid leg today, and it is absolutely stunning. the second drop takes it extraordinarily deep. big things to come from jamie vex'd on a solo flex i feel, not wishing to discredit roly, but if this is a sign of things to come we have some marvels in store.
another incredible new release is the new geiom, im feeling De Nim e le Fant a great great deal
just got the vex'd remix of twitchy droid leg today, and it is absolutely stunning. the second drop takes it extraordinarily deep. big things to come from jamie vex'd on a solo flex i feel, not wishing to discredit roly, but if this is a sign of things to come we have some marvels in store.
another incredible new release is the new geiom, im feeling De Nim e le Fant a great great deal
What a fickle and uncharitable response imho. "Pretentious twaddle"? I would have thought that the article practically reads like a compilation of dissensus views. The sentence about mixing was a bit silly, I agree, but at least the author tried to take the majority of his language from a reputable source, i.e., Blackdown's liner notes. Wilson writes, "Clark reminds listeners of the creative influence of the DJ as exercised through the improvised manipulation of tempo and key" - which is admittedly not ideal - but he then goes on to quote Blackdown's statement that beatmatching is “the iterative art of aligning two tracks by ear in real time,” “an imprecise science” that sometimes produces "transient flickers" in tempo (where I come from "transient flickers" in tempo while beatmatching are called mistakes lol). I agree that the phrase "improvised manipulation of tempo and key" is perhaps a bit cringeworthy, but hardly offensive - more like an attempt by a non-DJ to explain to an art crowd what a DJ does. Is that so bad? He certainly doesn't make a big deal of the point.
What strikes me about your post, however, is a slightly different issue. If someone from new york who writes for an art magazine refers to K-Punk, Blackdown, Gutterbreakz, Blissblogger, and even Barefiles, you object that he is "taking offhand bloggers comments . . . as gospel," but can you imagine if the guy had written the article without referring to these people and views? You all would have immediately cried 'fraudulent hipster!' yada yada. The guy didn't make any sweeping claims about dubstep but just gave a little report; and he showed awareness of top producers, of the online critical community, he covered many aspects of the scene, referred to possible analogues in visual art, and took the photo for the article himself . . . what is so "horrific" about that?
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any thoughts on blackdowns latest pitchfork piece
They SHOULD get Tempa stuff, but I had a chat with the guy who orders all the grime and dubstep today and he says that their sales guy is fucking around. The Skream 3LP pack and Tapped/Dutch Flowers were supposed to have been here for about three weeks now, and still keep getting delayed into the next shipment.
I haven't even heard of the Roots of Dubstep being on its way, although it is possible it might already have been stocked and sold a month or so ago. I'll ask after it next time I talk to him.
RE: Peter Gunn: I also find it annoying that the vocal version of Tapped is still unreleased. I figured that it'd appear on that Tapped/Dutch Flowers release, but it was left out and I'm still trying to figure out why.
On another note, does anyone know if Mary Anne Hobbs Warrior Dubs is also a vinyl pack? If so, what tracks come on the vinyl version?
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As dubstep spreads globally, it will be interesting to see how regional producers absorb and re-interpret the sound with their own perspective. How can your music truly be about dark decaying London streets if you've never even seen them? Instead, it will be exciting to see if Bay Area producers can incorporate a hyphy influence, or if Brazilians can interact with baile funk. Can Indian, Japanese, or Chinese dubsteppers come through? What about glacial Scandinavian beats? If dubstep is a bass-heavy reflection of our surroundings, now that the scene's gone global, surely many new avenues now open themselves up. Let's just hope the avenues that get chosen avoid the well-proven dead ends of dance music past (liquid & noisy d&b, formula breaks, synthetic digidub, commercial house, etc.) and take an original new journe
Some have already shown how interesting it can be and have been doing it for years in parallel to what was happening elsewhere.
Does it truly have to be about decaying london streets for it to be dubstep and where's the evidence for well proven dead ends of dance music past ???
I just get the pox of purist elitism from all that twaddle and a reluctance to address some deeper issues.
There is nothing to suggest that original journeys will be accepted into the genre as it stands unless it is made by an established 'forefather' or cliquey nepotist insider nor that it will generate interest from the backasswards looking scene unless it gets played out by Ma Hobbes or Joe Nice with a follow up vinyl release
Some have already shown how interesting it can be and have been doing it for years in parallel to what was happening elsewhere.
Does it truly have to be about decaying london streets for it to be dubstep and where's the evidence for well proven dead ends of dance music past ???
I just get the pox of purist elitism from all that twaddle and a reluctance to address some deeper issues.
There is nothing to suggest that original journeys will be accepted into the genre as it stands unless it is made by an established 'forefather' or cliquey nepotist insider nor that it will generate interest from the backasswards looking scene unless it gets played out by Ma Hobbes or Joe Nice with a follow up vinyl release
man come on, do you not see how much it undermines you to constantly labour over your percieved personal injustices? there may be some worthwhile debate on the points that you raise, but you state them in such an over the top manner, and with such obvious bitterness that they lose ALL credibility!
in that passage he is in fact embracing the worldwide influences on dubstep's development... he's saying that its exciting to think what can come of it.
as to your last paragraph... obviously there is a degree to which the scene is closed, its pretty much inevitable. but skream plays a lot of tunes from unknown producers nowadays, n-type is bringing new producers to the fore (many of whom are from outside of both london and the UK), kode9 has always been open. its a complete farce that you bring joe nice up on that, he has always been incredibly good at giving new producers a chance to be aired. furthermore, international dubsteppers have already broken into the central fold... moving ninja, l-wiz. so while the scene is fairly rigid, its not as ridiculous as your characterisation might have one believe!
basically you should accept that different people have different tastes, and will act accordingly... theres no need to react so ridiculously to it, and throw around such laughable generalisations.
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