The Republican War on Transgender People, Drag Queens, and Queerness in General

[DannyL]

What's the answer, Mixed? You like to pose gotcha questions, point fingers, make blanket accusations. What's your answer to these questions? What's our solution (hopefully not a final one) to these situations?

Demanding that his interlocutors post a lower age limit for surgery is rhetorical grandstanding tbh and detracts from the central point of the starting post, that is, trans people are under attack in the US, and it's worrying, because it'll create real suffering, and is being driven as a wedge issue that'll eventually impact on other sexual and reproductive freedoms.
But rather than acknowledge that, you get these complete bullshit "just asking questions" derailments.
My answer would be i don't fucking know, perhaps ask the community affected *first* as experts on their own experience. I don't even want to get drawn into debating it though because i think the premise is to obfuscate.

 

[thirdform]

You won't, of course, get a meaningful or honest answer out of him. This is a man who thinks 20 million dead from covid is no biggie, any attempt to prevent or slow the spread is massive government overreach, and anyone who disagrees is a snowflake - but also that one drag queen with sex crime convictions means all of them should be lined up and shot.

stop feeding the troll is yours and leo's answer.

 

[subvert47]

and is being driven as a wedge issue that'll eventually impact on other sexual and reproductive freedoms.

Yes, it's all part of the same right wing agenda, which sees trans rights as easy targets. There's no "eventually" about it though. With the Supreme Court having struck down Roe vs. Wade, the Republican state legislatures are already seriously curtailing reproductive freedoms. Biden has looked to protect Obergefell vs. Hodges (gay marriage), but I doubt that will put them off for long.

 

[Mr. Tea]

stop feeding the troll is yours and leo's answer.

You're probably right, but old habits die hard.

 

[thirdform]

You're probably right, but old habits die hard.

I mean biscuits is from Oxfordshire so of course he thinks that the moronic church culture of scholastic debates is still valid. It's a useless trolling, if you will. Because there's no point but aimless dichotomous repartee.

If he was from London he wouldn't be so out of joint with time, but it takes the rest of England a good 300 years to catch up with us. By which time we'll all be dead.

Gus, per se, can be a useful troll.

I have usefully trolled you on many an occasion, to sharpen your thinking.

Biscuits should not discredit the enterprise with his 1993 skunk romanticism.

 

[Mr. Tea]

I have usefully trolled you on many an occasion, to sharpen your thinking.

A service for which I am eternally in your debt.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Oh look:

The Times & The Sunday Times

News and opinion from The Times & The Sunday Times

www.thetimes.co.uk

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Last month a school on the Isle of Man suspended its sex education curriculum after a drag queen guest was said to have told pupils there were 73 genders and made a child who argued that there were “only two” leave the classroom.

Oh look:

Some claims about Manx sex education class inaccurate, probe finds

Some claims about a lesson at an Isle of Man high school are not accurate, an external review finds.

www.bbc.co.uk

The investigation found the guest speaker, who occasionally performed as a drag artist, was not dressed in drag at the time and did not ask a pupil to leave the classroom.

 

[Leo]

Screw you and your facts, Tea.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Screw you and your facts, Tea.

I heard white kids in British schools are being forced to pray to Mecca! It's almost certainly untrue, but I'm going to work myself up into a self-righteous fury over it all the same!

 

[Slothrop]

Obligatory https://www.theonion.com/it-is-journalism-s-sacred-duty-to-endanger-the-lives-of-1850126997

“Quentin” is a 14-year-old assigned female at birth who now identifies as male against the wishes of his parents. His transition was supported by one of his unmarried teachers, who is not a virgin. He stole his parents’ car and drove to the hospital, where a doctor immediately began performing top surgery on him. Afterward, driving home drunk from the hospital, Quentin became suicidally depressed, and he wonders now, homeless and ridden with gonorrhea, if transitioning was a mistake.

We just made Quentin up, and that’s okay. It doesn’t mean stories like his aren’t potentially happening everywhere, constantly. Good journalism is about finding those stories, even when they don’t exist. It’s about asking the tough questions and ignoring the answers you don’t like, then offering misleading evidence in service of preordained editorial conclusions. In our case, endangering trans people is the lodestar that shapes our coverage. Frankly, if our work isn’t putting trans people further at risk of trauma and violence, we consider it a failure.

 

[Leo]

stop feeding the troll is yours and leo's answer.

Wise advice. I usually just engage when I’m bored, like playing with my cat.

 

[Leo]

 

[mixed_biscuits]

What's the answer, Mixed? You like to pose gotcha questions, point fingers, make blanket accusations. What's your answer to these questions? What's our solution (hopefully not a final one) to these situations?

The progressive fringe should fit a rear-view mirror to their 18-wheeler.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Demanding that his interlocutors post a lower age limit for surgery is rhetorical grandstanding

It totally isn't: it's to demonstrate that the fringe can't get into the detail that interests the vast majority of voters as they are scared of falling out with their dysfunctional in-group.

The idea that if Tea, for instance, set a lower-age limit of 12 and gave reasons, he would somehow be siding with Nazis is an absurd impediment.

 

[Mr. Tea]

It totally isn't: it's to demonstrate that the fringe can't get into the detail that interests the vast majority of voters as they are scared of falling out with their dysfunctional in-group.

The idea that if Tea, for instance, set a lower-age limit of 12 and gave reasons, he would somehow be siding with Nazis is an absurd impediment.

It's your equation of transgender people with paedophiles that puts you on the same side as the Nazis, you disingenuous prick.

 

[subvert47]

It totally isn't: it's to demonstrate that the fringe can't get into the detail that interests the vast majority of voters as they are scared of falling out with their dysfunctional in-group.

The idea that if Tea, for instance, set a lower-age limit of 12 and gave reasons, he would somehow be siding with Nazis is an absurd impediment.

Nobody has surgery at 12, you bellend. At that age the best you can do is transition socially. Technically you could receive puberty blockers, but in most cases you won't get them. In the UK you could receive sex hormones at 16, if you've been on blockers for at least a year and you might be eligible for surgery at 18. But good luck achieving anything like that time line. The waiting lists are enormous just for a first consultation.

Anyone who wants those details can find them easily enough. The "vast majority of voters" aren't interested in something that doesn't concern them at all. It's just fuckwits eager to be outraged about some total bollocks they've read on the internet.

 

[Leo]

The progressive fringe should fit a rear-view mirror to their 18-wheeler.

what are you trying to say? the attempt at turning a clever analogy doesn't really make sense or work here. just give us a normal, straightforward response to the question.

here's the question again

What's the answer, Mixed? You like to pose gotcha questions, point fingers, make blanket accusations. What's your answer to these questions? What's our solution (hopefully not a final one) to these situations?

 

[shakahislop]

 

[mixed_biscuits]

It's your equation of transgender people with paedophiles that puts you on the same side as the Nazis, you disingenuous prick.

I did no such thing. Why do you think The Times published the article?

 

[mixed_biscuits]

what are you trying to say? the attempt at turning a clever analogy doesn't really make sense or work here. just give us a normal, straightforward response to the question.

here's the question again

The progressive fringe powers on heedlessly forcing through change without paying attention to collateral damage. Then the rest of society spots the damage and change is rolled back. It's not a great strategy, progression-wise.