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Leo

Leo

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yeah, I question the "it helps him" line, think it's a talking point/magical thinking from his supporters. it's also popular with bedwetting liberals who worry about everything.

my gut says it gains him very little: MAGA crowd maybe gets a little more fired up, but can't see moderate suburban women who dumped him in 2020 thinking "they're treating a guy who cheated on his wife (right after she gave birth) with a porn star and then paid her off very unfairly, I'm gonna vote for him now."
 
Leo

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it does put trump's GOP primary opponents in a bind, though. do they speak out in support? that wouldn't likely gain them any MAGA votes. Do they say no one is above the law? that would result in the wrath of trump and his supporters. could be a lose-lose situation.

And yet again, DeSantis flubs it, refers to Bragg as a "Soros-backed Manhattan District Attorney". Does he really think he'll peel off MAGA voters by using an age-old anti-semitic trope (black man as stooge, controlled behind the scenes by the shadowy Jews), or that it'll appeal to moderates?
 
IdleRich

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Leo said:
it does put trump's GOP primary opponents in a bind, though. do they speak out in support? that wouldn't likely gain them any MAGA votes. Do they say no one is above the law? that would result in the wrath of trump and his supporters. could be a lose-lose situation
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DeSaster hedging his bets, saying he wouldn't extradite him but not exactly saying it's wrong either.
 
IdleRich

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Also, I find it extraordinary how similar Boris Johnson and Donald Trump are to each other. It's way beyond copying, I guess that they are similar in terms of 'nature' and both were 'nurtured' as incredibly spoilt children who were taught they were special and that the rules simply don't apply to them.

The upshot is that if you put them in the same situation then they (re)act in the same way. The latest example is when each recently found himself in the unfamiliar role of being judged by someone and potentially facing the consequences of their actions. Trump believed that the grand jury had chosen not to indict him and immediately said that their decision restored his faith in that jury and the system as a whole - now they have indicted him and he's decided they are corrupt - in other words, the system is legitimate as long as it agrees with him, remarkably similar to Johnson's statement to the investigating committee that its legitimacy and validity will be determined entirely by the extent to which it agrees with him.
 
Leo

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boris is a mile smarter in terms of history, literature, much more eloquent. trump is smart in terms of street smarts, sussing people out. both are totally shameless, although not sure it's possible for anyone top trump in that category.
 
Leo

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another difference is trump has a life-long chip on his shoulder for being an outer-borough guy (he's from Queens!) who always felt like an outsider to the Manhattan social scene, never had the respect of the more cultured old money crowd. they always considered him a sleazy real estate guy, crass, vulgar, showy. Trump father had money, but he earned it from building and renting shitty housing developments in Queens. I get the sense Boris comes from a more posh background.
 
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Leo said:
boris is a mile smarter in terms of history, literature, much more eloquent. trump is smart in terms of street smarts, sussing people out. both are totally shameless, although not sure it's possible for anyone top trump in that category.
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Yeah, Trump is an ignorant oik with lots of money, while Johnson is unequivocally part of the cultural elite, the people whose US counterparts Trump constantly slags off and blames for America's every ill. (You could say it's a bit more complicated than that, given that it's always the "liberal elites" that are conjured in this kind of rhetoric, but it's worth remembering that Johnson himself once belonged to the (relatively) liberal wing of the Tory party, before he reinvented himself as Mr Brexit. But the phrase itself has been worn down to virtual meaninglessness - or if it still signifies anything at all, it means "a white person with a degree who isn't a dreadful racist cunt.")
 
Leo

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that's why trump connects with rural white MAGA voters, he has the same hate for elites that they do.
 
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Leo said:
that's why trump connects with rural white MAGA voters, he has the same hate for elites that they do.
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A hatred apparently strong enough to override the fact that he clearly holds his own supporters in utter contempt.
 
Leo

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tons of news crews camped out across from the court house, ready for whenever he arrives for arraignment.

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IdleRich

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Leo said:
boris is a mile smarter in terms of history, literature, much more eloquent. trump is smart in terms of street smarts, sussing people out. both are totally shameless, although not sure it's possible for anyone top trump in that category.
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I don't think Johnson is that smart really, he knows just enough long words to appear smart to those less educated than himself. Like someone saying QED or Cogito Ergo Sum as a demonstration of their mastery of Latin. He knows enough history that his reputation along with his celebrity can win him lucrative contracts to write (by all accounts very poor) books that he never dedicated enough time to to finish - although seems he did put enough time in to prevent him actually turning up to or achieving anything at his secondary job (as member of parliamentary and then leader of the country)

Very often Johnson is in a position of power and so he can maximize his apparent learning, (now faded) charm and sense of superiority to brow-beat opponents and appear smarter than he is. Stripped of those unfair advantages he's quickly exposed as quite an ordinary thinker and debater.
 
IdleRich

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Leo said:
another difference is trump has a life-long chip on his shoulder for being an outer-borough guy (he's from Queens!) who always felt like an outsider to the Manhattan social scene, never had the respect of the more cultured old money crowd. they always considered him a sleazy real estate guy, crass, vulgar, showy.
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Hard to believe... why do you suppose that was?

Leo said:
Trump's father had money, but he earned it from building and renting shitty housing developments in Queens. I get the sense Boris comes from a more posh background.
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Yes probably, certainly less wealth but I'm sure he believes he had more class and a feeling of superiority instilled from birth and then greatly increased by being educated at the cunt factory (though this forum provides evidence it doesn't have to be that way).
 
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as some (most) people on this board know i went to the same school as david cameron etc. [not] sorry if this comes as an horrific shock. in fact i personally knew (some of them very well) the people in the george osmond bullingdon photo. it does turn the stomach quite a lot. at the start i...
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Leo said:
Trump father had money, but he earned it from building and renting shitty housing developments in Queens. I get the sense Boris comes from a more posh background.
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i've been reading it about this this morning, coz there was a story in the nyt and i got straight on bookosz1, most of trump's dad's construction was in southern brooklyn, like brighton beach, east flatbush, bath beach

there's an interesting bit where they talk about there being some financing from the nyc/nj mafia being involved, a good way of laundering i guess

i'm still a bit mystified by the construction of brooklyn. it's so comprehensively and densely built up, for such a massive area. unbroken. so few parks. seems like a totally different pattern of development to big cities in europe.
 
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