0bleak

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It could harm a man's mental health, but I just don't know what harms it would do.

You can't imagine that men that already have poor mental health would be further incentivized just to give up or end their life due to being told they are irredeemable? Then again, it seems you say that you that isn't an argument? I guess you don't believe that the messaging could cause men to feel that way? Are you saying that you don't believe that is how modern feminism has come across to me? Or that it doesn't matter because outside of my experiences in the real world "in academia real feminism is"
 

?!..!?

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You're more culturally black than you are culturally feminine.
Huh? Can you explain?
Oh sure you can criticise them, but the criticised doesn't need to pay any attention to their critics. You remain trapped in the weapon of criticism, without arriving at the criticism of weapons.
What would the criticism of weapons be? Sounds interesting.

You can only contravene the manosphere through force.

How would anyone do that? This is a culture war, not a military war. So strange how a Marxist claims every social change must happen as a result of violence rather than you know, changes in the material conditions of production.
 

?!..!?

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You can't imagine that men that already have poor mental health would be further incentivized just to give up or end their life due to being told they are irredeemable?
Again, feminists don't actually think men are irredeemable. That would be essentialist feminism and I am an anti-essentialist.
I guess you don't believe that the messaging could cause men to feel that way?
Your feelings are valid. If you think feminist messaging is so important, why don't you just be a feminist yourself and come up with better messaging? That's what I did.

Are you saying that you don't believe that is how modern feminism has come across to me?
I accept that feminism comes accross this way to a lot of people, my question is just how important is mean messaging? Not more important than the fight against the patriarchy.

Or that it doesn't matter because outside of my experiences in the real world "in academia real feminism is"
Not sure what you mean here.
 

thirdform

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How would anyone do that? This is a culture war, not a military war. So strange how a Marxist claims every social change must happen as a result of violence rather than you know, changes in the material conditions of production.

Changes in the material conditions of production are violent! have you ever seen a peaceful change in the material conditions of production? Even your democratic socialism rests on the US funding itself through starting even more wars and the arms sector, otherwise, the value of the dollar would completely plummet! Even American cultural exports only have the hegemony they do through the US being world military superpower. Otherwise they would just be as exotic as Ethiopian culture.
 

?!..!?

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Changes in the material conditions of production are violent! have you ever seen a peaceful change in the material conditions of production? Even your democratic socialism rests on the US funding itself through wars and the arms sector, otherwise, the value of the dollar would completely devalue. Even American cultural exports only have the hegemony they do through the US being world military superpower. Otherwise they would just be as quaint as Ethiopian culture.
Good point, but by emphasizing violence over material conditions, aren't you abandoning Marxism and becoming more of a political realist?
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Good point, but by emphasizing violence over material conditions, aren't you abandoning Marxism and becoming more of a political realist?

no because marxism is not democratic. Your universities in the imperial core will continue to prostitute Marxism though.
 

0bleak

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my question is just how important is mean messaging? Not more important than the fight against the patriarchy.

Well, I've outlined things how it could it affect a person's mental health and also be a contributing factor to people giving up/ending their lives.
I'm not sure why "more important" has to do with this unless you're saying it's impossible to fight against the patriarchy or be a feminist without this messaging being so pervasive.
 
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