The Feminine Perspective against the Manosphere

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You want to be treated as feminin, yet you also want to identify as heterosexual with its corresponding family structures, ignoring that (to some degree) the two are at odds.

I don't think feminine men have to reject the family. I argue that feminine men can be just as good fathers as masculine men. I don't see how femininity and the family are at odds.

Heterosexuality isn't the mere attraction to women is it now.

What else is it?

It seems like you want patriarchy without patriarchs,

I have no clue what you mean by this. I want an androgynarchy, a gender-equal society where neither men nor women rule at the exclusion of the other.

otherwise you wouldn't use the self-contradictory term male lesbian, which is just as demeaning as shemale.

Again, if you dislike the term male-lesbian, just write "cishetero feminine man." I have no time for tribial linguistic quibbles about word choices.

Then why are you straight?

Why not just call yourself queer?

I do call myself genderqueer and heterosexual. But some people deny that queer heterosexuality exists, so I've decided to stop calling myself queer to avoid controversy. Genderqueer =/= queer

Why are you so obsessed with defining yourself as hetero?

Because I like to penetrate vaginas? Not that deep dude.

Hetero is masculine, that's the point!

No this is total non-sense and I never argued it. No sexual orientation is feminine or masculine.

You are contributing to the abstruction of a new era for the second sex.

Abstruction? I don't understand this sentence.

 

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look I know Oliver @craner wanted to eat out Nomad but you don't need to act like her big brother from new york, ok? @craner has a hothoused new york Jew fetish. We've told him it's antay semitic but love knows no boundaries.

Sit down, take a drink and chill with us. give up the trolling.

At this point I've concluded that everyone on this board is a troll. A bunch of trolls trolling each other. How can you not feed the troll when everyone is a troll? You're certainly a troll, third. You just say anything with no real rhyme or reason.

 

[william_kent]

At this point I've concluded that everyone on this board is a troll. A bunch of trolls trolling each other.

achievement unlocked

you've earned a star

 

[thirdform]

you understand nothing because you're of subhuman intellect. like most white college educated coastal Americans.

 

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you understand nothing because you're of subhuman intellect.

Atleast I don't dehumanize people!

 

[thirdform]

building walls and calling it progress, and then pulling a temper tantrum when you realise the world isn't like how you think it is. We have this in the UK, but at least we put our university students up the chimney so they can get smoke in their lungs and start coughing and wheezing before the age of 30. Only saving grace of this country.

 

[0bleak]

That's comedy dude. That's not an argument or acceptable evidence to support one..

It wasn't the comedic part. It was a statement of fact as to give people the set-up to a joke.
Can you seriously see the reverse happening where people are loudly cheering that women are continuing to die earlier than men when given as a statement of fact within the set-up to a joke?

Hasn't society already depicted masculinity in a positvve light for thousands of years?

That makes it ok then?

But you overgeneralize about women. The point is to understand that feminists aren't talking about you as long as you support feminism.

I don't ever say or see things on near or close to such a regular basis with women are framed in a negative fashion.
As for supporting feminism, why would men support something that has pre-emptively framed them in negative fashion? It's not as if it's ever preceded by "The point is to understand that feminists aren't talking about you as long as you support feminism." AND the message that I've been getting is that no matter and how much you do, it will never be enough because you still have the original sin of being a man. You are still never going to be acceptable as a person.

What do you think it does to people's mental health especially if they already have a lot of problems?

IDK, ask a psychologist.

I mean, I've already brought up microaggressions. If "microaggressions" have a mental affect on people, then surely seeing men and masculinity continually framed in a negative light probably isn't good for a lot of people's mental health.

Is it ok if some men are sacrificed for the cause feminist movement- I've actually seen people say that.

IDK what you mean by "sacrifice"

As in being an additional thing in resulting in the mental state of men wanting to end their lives due to the regularlity of the messaging that you they are born with irredeemable original sin, and that you will still be full of sin no matter what you do.

 

[thirdform]

At this point I've concluded that everyone on this board is a troll. A bunch of trolls trolling each other. How can you not feed the troll when everyone is a troll? You're certainly a troll, third. You just say anything with no real rhyme or reason.

Post 1322, it took you really quite long didn't it? Slow on the uptick.

 

[thirdform]

Atleast I don't dehumanize people!

Oh, congratulations on your self-proclaimed title of "Overprivileged New York Brat"! It must be such a prestigious accomplishment to have your own bespoke label. As for your assertion that you don't dehumanize people, well, I'm sure your gold-plated mirror confirms that every morning. It's truly commendable how you've managed to navigate life without stepping on anyone's toes, except maybe during your weekly spa pedicures. Keep shining bright like the diamond-encrusted star you believe yourself to be, and remember, humility is just a word in the dictionary, not a lifestyle choice for the fabulously privileged!

 

[thirdform]

Again, if you dislike the term male-lesbian, just write "cishetero feminine man." I have no time for tribial linguistic quibbles about word choices.

It's not a linguistic quibble, trivial or otherwise. male lesbian means something totally different to cishetero feminine man. Male lesbian means that you insert yourself as desired fantasy object in a lesbian couple, I.E: lesbian women don't truly know their desires and self-appointed sleazy male lesbian can truly unlock their desire for the phallus. Come on this is basic psychoanalysis dude, you can't just call your freudian slips a quibble.

 

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building walls and calling it progress, and then pulling a temper tantrum when you realise the world isn't like how you think it is.

Tell me where I did this. I'll wait.

It wasn't the comedic part. It was a statement of fact as to give people the set-up to a joke.
Can you seriously see the reverse happening where people are loudly cheering that women are continuing to die earlier than men when given as a statement of fact within the set-up to a joke?

Well sure I'll concede you have a point here.

That makes it ok then?

No. I dislike misandry as much as you, I just think there are more important things to worry about.

I don't ever say or see things on near or close to such a regular basis with women are framed in a negative fashion

Have you ever met a misogynist? I've heard misogynists say much worse things than just "women are bad".

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As for supporting feminism, why would men support something that has pre-emptively framed them in negative fashion?

Because gender equality benefits everyone. Support feminism because it's the right thing to do, not because feminists like you a lot.

It's not as if it's ever preceded by "The point is to understand that feminists aren't talking about you as long as you support feminism."

Sure, but that's the assumption. I doubt you'll ever find a feminists who literally hates all men.

AND the message that I've been getting is that no matter and how much you do, it will never be enough because you still have the original sin of being a man. You are still never going to be acceptable as a person.

Come on dude, obviously feminists have relationships and friendships with men. Feminists don't totally exclude men from their lives.

And again, men aren't essentially patriarchs. Women have a problem with men who actively support the patriarchy, not all men. This "original sin" argument simply isn't a thing for anti-essentialist feminists such as myself.

I mean, I've already brought up microaggressions. If "microaggressions" have a mental affect on people, then surely seeing men and masculinity continually framed in a negative light probably isn't good for a lot of people's mental health.

Well again, I don't know. I'm not a psychologist.

As in being an additional thing in resulting in the mental state of men wanting to end their lives due to the regularlity of the messaging that you they are born with irredeemable original sin, and that you will still be full of sin no matter what you do.

Has any man ever committed suicide over harrassment from feminists? Also, a lot of feminist face massive harrassment from men.

 

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It's not a linguistic quibble, male lesbian means something totally different to cishetero feminine man. Male lesbian means that you insert yourself as desired fantasy object in a lesbian couple. Come on this is basic psychoanalysis dude, you can't just call your freudian slips a quibble.

Absolutely not. Male lesbians stand in no necessary relation to female lesbians. I have no sexual or romantic interest in female lesbians. Nor do I want to join any female lesbian communities. I have repeatedly made this point, you and others have repeatedly ignored it.

Also, I repeatedly said that male lesbian sexuality is non-phallic sexuality. I am interested in giving BISEXUAL AND HETEROSEXUAL WOMEN non-phallic pleasure.

It is deeply anti-intellectual to judge a view entirely by its name, making claims about the view THAT LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE SUPPORTS.

 

[thirdform]

Absolutely not. Male lesbians stand in no necessary relation to female lesbians. I have no sexual or romantic interest in female lesbians. Nor do I want to join any female lesbian communities. I have repeatedly made this point, you and others have repeatedly ignored it.

Also, I repeatedly said that male lesbian sexuality is non-phallic sexuality. I am interested in giving BISEXUAL AND HETEROSEXUAL WOMEN non-phallic pleasure.

if that is the case then you don't need to use the term lesbian, and you are being deliberately obfuscatory in order to mislead people. it's creepy and duplicitous.

How on earth do you give bisexual and heterosexual women non-phalic pleasures? By eating them out without asking? Well, that already happens in society. Sorry to tell you but you really aren't special.

 

[thirdform]

Tell me where I did this. I'll wait.

Sugarplum, even if I told you, you would engage in a selective amnesia and forget what you've written for the entirety of this thread. Your strategy is much less opaque than you think it is.

 

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if that is the case then you don't need to use the term lesbian, and you are being deliberately obfuscatory in order to mislead people. it's creepy and duplicitous.

Dude, the term "male lesbian" is half joke, half marketing term. It was never meant to be taken literally. For my part, I have largely stopped using the term, replacing it with cisheterosexual femboy feminist.

How on earth do you give bisexual and heterosexual women non-phalic pleasures? By eating them out without asking? Well, that already happens in society. Sorry to tell you but you really aren't special.

Yes, one way to give women non-phallic pleasures is eating pussy. Sensuality is another. And I never said I was special. The point is that many men don't eat pussy or only eat pussy when the woman asks them. A lot of men only care about their own phallic pleasure. I care about a woman's pleasure and my own. Of course there are other men like me, I just want to promote and prasie the feminine sexuality of these men.

 

[thirdform]

It is deeply anti-intellectual to judge a view entirely by its name, making claims about the view THAT LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE SUPPORTS.

I mean you share one thing in common with the trads, that you want to uphold the family. So you can keep screaming about anti-intellectualism, but you are just a trad leftist.

 

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Sugarplum, even if I told you, you would engage in a selective amnesia and forget what you've written for the entirety of this thread. Your strategy is much less opaque than you think it is.

Throughout the entire thread I have promoted a coherent system. My view has not changed. I admit that my writing has sometimes obscured my points, but if anything seems unclear or inconsistent to you, just ask and I'll explicate it.

Meanwhile, your strategy is to have no strategy. You and everyone else just react to the latest post I've made and ignore everything that came before it. I've had to repeat central points numerous times to you and they still haven't gotten through.

 

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I mean you share one thing in common with the trads, that you want to uphold the family. So you can keep screaming about anti-intellectualism, but you are just a trad leftist.

So if I share even one thing in common with trads, I'm a trad? Non-sense. And I support people who want to explore alternatives to starting a family. Not everyone has to start a family, but I want to.

 

[thirdform]

Dude, the term "male lesbian" is half joke, half marketing term. It was never meant to be taken literally. For my part, I have largely stopped using the term, replacing it with cisheterosexual femboy feminist.

We are against marketting on this forum.

Yes, one way to give women non-phallic pleasures is eating pussy. Sensuality is another. And I never said I was special. The point is that many men don't eat pussy or only eat pussy when the woman asks them. A lot of men only care about their own phallic pleasure. I care about a woman's pleasure and my own. Of course there are other men like me, I just want to promote and prasie the feminine sexuality of these men.

this is the wrong forum for you then, it's an asexual homosocial male bonding safe space. go and talk to men who actually want to shag women. We are against pleasure in all its insidious and sometimes extremist forms.

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Sure, but that's the assumption. I doubt you'll ever find a racist who literally hates all other races.