do you have it?

  • yes

    Votes: 3 75.0%
  • yes

    Votes: 3 75.0%
  • yes

    Votes: 2 50.0%

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Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Shut the fuck up and eat your Ritalin
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Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps

Could somebody without ADHD read this and let me know what it says
It's not synonymous with laziness, you know.
 

Murphy

cat malogen

Could somebody without ADHD read this and let me know what it says

first sentence is the conclusion

The contemporary conceptualization of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) as a complex, multifactorial neurodevelopmental disorder cannot be understood as such without a complex assemblage of political, economic, and cultural processes that deem the conceptualization to be valuable and useful

Didn’t get as far as the bibliography because you can pivot anywhere with‘value’ and ‘use’

 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
This does look like an interesting article actually, I'll bookmark it for "later"

This seems to be along the lines of what benny was saying

The ADHD diagnostic criteria are essentially lists of symptoms that are the contraries of socially valued norms (Freedman and Honkasilta, 2017). The “normal child,” all-pervading the manual, exemplifies the preferable behavior which in turn becomes a prescription of how children should play (e.g., “Often unable to play or engage in leisure activities quietly”, American Psychiatric Association, 2013, p. 60), when to remain seated (e.g., “Often leaves seat in situations when remaining seated is expected”, American Psychiatric Association, 2013, p. 60), what to pay attention to (“Is often easily distracted by extraneous stimuli,” American Psychiatric Association, 2013, p. 59) and how much to talk (e.g. “Often talks excessively,” American Psychiatric Association, 2013, p. 60). Children who aberrate from these prescribed “normal” behaviors are at risk for a “dangerous development” in which their actions not only threaten their social and educational future but also the related cultural values (Bailey, 2010, p. 584; Freedman and Honkasilta, 2017).
 

Murphy

cat malogen
don’t have a clinical opinion with adhd as its not a specialism and nearly everything human is gene-gene or gene-environment

it seems prescribing children is one bug bear for some ie consent, or identifying the subtleties of the human condition, or someone for whom the defining principles ring true - you just have to try to listen first and foremost and work your way out
 

Murphy

cat malogen
Once a prescription supply chain is industrially established, profiteering follows - medicalisation as symptom of capital

The US has a lot to answer for, ie how ignorant and lazy western societies behave raising their children: stfu, eat your Ritalin AND fuck off (please)

Striatal dopamine release disruption is getting worse from a shifting technological pov - old reptile brain. Such systems don’t feedback into the tech sphere by chance so there’s a societal model which isn’t fully developed enough to gauge in its entirely yet due accelerating learning but, intuitively, we knew smartphones were evil way before data privacy lols were foregrounded
 

0bleak

Well-known member
This seems to be along the lines of what benny was saying
The part where he said "it doesn't actually exist"?
Next, my teacher from elementary school "advanced" class is going to start saying again that I'm just not trying hard enough.

Also, do people understand that there are different types of ADHD, especially since ADD was folded under ADHD?
 

Murphy

cat malogen
Equally, how can you deny someone’s personal truth? Subjectivity as subject. If ADHD becomes a culture war front, nothing will be advanced for anyone because no-one is paying any attention to the suffering of those who need to be heard

Concurrently, we live in an age where people are actively consuming compounds specifically designed around dopamine manipulation eg SBF

Look how poorly we still understand disease. I would never write off genetic factors as that’s still poorly applied to mental health - your cognitive inheritance as an accumulation derived from huge numbers of populations with their own root genetic selection factors that have nothing in common with today’s world
 

sus

Moderator
It is something to watch people act is if certain things are almost completely made up.
Or that people haven't just got their shit together with the right diet and exercise or whatever else.
It's a bit like reading a forum full of people debating whether quadriplegics are faking it, or whether people that are missing limbs are really just good magicians.
Read up on the history of psychiatry young blood
 

sus

Moderator
Look, my view is this

A lot—not all—but a majority—of what we label and medicalized as ADHD in the United States is not really a disability

But refers to a semi-voluntary strategy or stance

An individual positions himself on a spectrum between a vigilant and laissez-faire attitude. On a spectrum of self-coercion and freedom, anxiety and nonchalance

Keeping track of keys, or jackets, or calendar dates—that's not 'free' for anyone

It's always costly, it always takes effort

Managing the massive array of material goods and scheduling obligations that modern man has to manage is not natural, it does not come naturally, it is always hard it is always work

And some people pay that cost, and some people aren't willing to
 

sus

Moderator
Some people have algorithms, voices looping through their head, voices of pain and worry that cry out "Don't forget," "Don't drift off," "Don't daydream," "Pay attention," "Check your pockets," "What are you forgetting?" "What do you need to attend to?" "What's about to go wrong?"

And some people don't. A lot of it is learnable and about self-discipline. And if you don't want to make the enormous sacrifices of self, of happiness, of sanity. If you don't want to give your freedom over to the grinding machine of society. Then maybe you don't win all the gold stars. Maybe you don't win any. Maybe society puts a stamp on you that says you're being a bad cog.
 

ghost

Well-known member
Keeping track of keys, or jackets, or calendar dates—that's not 'free' for anyone

It's always costly, it always takes effort

Managing the massive array of material goods and scheduling obligations that modern man has to manage is not natural, it does not come naturally, it is always hard it is always work

And some people pay that cost, and some people aren't willing to
you know. i don't feel this way at all. it really is easy for me. extremely easy. you've made me believe that maybe you do have it.
 
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