GhostofKinski

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I saw a woman yesterday wearing one of these absolutely incomprehensible T-shirts, based on the cover of the first Bad Brains LP:

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That’s an abomination. That was the cover of thier ROIR cassette tape, which was essentially, and would eventually be released on vinyl. Before that the only vinyl they had released was the ep Pay to Cum/Stay close to me.
Seeing them live in the early 1980’s was a road to Damascus experience. Reagan Youth was another that blew me away.
Everything and anything gets co-opted since idk forever?
But when it’s something semi-sacred to me personally, my BP spikes.
 

Mr. Tea

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That’s an abomination. That was the cover of thier ROIR cassette tape, which was essentially, and would eventually be released on vinyl. Before that the only vinyl they had released was the ep Pay to Cum/Stay close to me.
Seeing them live in the early 1980’s was a road to Damascus experience. Reagan Youth was another that blew me away.
Everything and anything gets co-opted since idk forever?
But when it’s something semi-sacred to me personally, my BP spikes.
I just can't understand what it's trying to say. That Harris, who is as establishment as it's possible to be - a former AG with a rep for defending her state in wrongful conviction cases, later a senator - is black, and therefore radical? That's she's going to become president, and then destroy the presidency?

Then there's the fact that a very normal-looking middle-aged white English woman was wearing it, the year after Harris lost to Trump. Bizarre.
 

GhostofKinski

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For sure, some sort of virtue signaling.
Remember those Obama posters in ‘08?
Just his face with that implacable Che-esque look and one word ‘Hope’ or ‘Change’ …
Content free, just nothing. I mean I guess it’s important to remember that we had just gone through Bush/Cheney who did so much damage to the world never mind the country, but the fact remains. It’s just pure nonsense.
The medium is the message type thing, no?
It’s also a study into the consumer’s (lady wearing the shirt) pathos @ how she wants to be seen.
 

GhostofKinski

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Didn’t he (Obama) besides winning the election get the advertising industries version of the Oscar for his campaign? And a Noble peace prize before doing anything other than not be Bush?
One really can’t overestimate the human capacity for self-deception.
 

Mr. Tea

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For sure, some sort of virtue signaling.
Remember those Obama posters in ‘08?
Just his face with that implacable Che-esque look and one word ‘Hope’ or ‘Change’ …
Content free, just nothing. I mean I guess it’s important to remember that we had just gone through Bush/Cheney who did so much damage to the world never mind the country, but the fact remains. It’s just pure nonsense.
The medium is the message type thing, no?
It’s also a study into the consumer’s (lady wearing the shirt) pathos @ how she wants to be seen.
What I find funny is that a shirt/poster presenting Trump as a radical who was going to become president and then destroy the government from the inside would be A) just the kind of thing his voters would love and would spend good money on, and B) more or less accurate.
 

GhostofKinski

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What I find funny is that a shirt/poster presenting Trump as a radical who was going to become president and then destroy the government from the inside would be A) just the kind of thing his voters would love and would spend good money on, and B) more or less accurate.
Truly, and the comically grotesque images of him with Rambo’s body firing an M60!?
A whole different level of absurdity

Edit: in some very specific ways though he was radical. I think at one of the first GOP primary debates, the early ones where there are like 12 candidates up on stage taking really stupid questions. The question was a sort of a show of hands: who believes in creationism (the earth is 2000 yo)? He was the only one that didn’t raise his hand.
Then there was also the raw unfiltered answers to questions every politician from either party would immediately pivot from.
Someone asked why he donated $150k to Hillary’s campaign and he just blurted out the truth. He wanted something from the Clintons (attend his daughter’s wedding or whatever) and he said without missing a beat: ‘Yeah, that’s how this all works. If you want something you have to pay (bribe) to play. I mean it doesn’t sound shocking now but up until then had you ever heard a candidate for POTUS say anything like that?
Then there was the Matt Lauer (I think) trying to trap him in a question about dealing/talking to brutal dictators. His answer in real NY fashion of answering a question with a question: ‘what, you think we’re so innocent?,we don’t kill people?’
I mean, beyond the public perception that his obscenity was the ‘grab them by the pussy’ stuff. The establishment’s definition of obscene was just his shredding of the veneer of American exceptionalism decorum. The OB-scene. That resonated with a pretty wide spectrum of the electorate. Case in point: when the DNC tilted the table in Hillary’s favor by feeding her campaign the debate questions to defeat Bernie Sanders. A sizable amount voted Trump. I was listening to WBAI (about as far left on the spectrum radio-rise) the engineer who is both a committed lefty and person of color who despises Trump spoke up during one of the shows reliving the Jan. 6 riots. He was there covering the event and said that contrary to public perception, only about 1/4 to 1/3 of the people at the rally Trump had beforehand participated in the riot. The vast majority listened to his speech and then went and had lunch or whatever!
 

Mr. Tea

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Truly, and the comically grotesque images of him with Rambo’s body firing an M60!?
A whole different level of absurdity
There's a Facebook group called "Right-wingers forgetting Trump weighs 500 pounds and doesn't exercise" where people post images they've found of Trump made to look like some absurd, ultra-ripped Rambo/Conan action hero. Most are Photoshopped or AI, although some are actual paintings, executed with varying degrees of professionalism, and I think I've seen a few tattoos there, tragically enough.
 

Mr. Tea

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And you're dead right about his weird honesty. It has to be weighed against the ludicrous lies he tells every time he opens his mouth, but he'll occasionally come out with a very serious truth that no normal politician, from either main party, would ever utter.
 

GhostofKinski

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Yeah, our capacity for self deception is bottomless.

Also when speaking of POTUS candidates I am referring to the duopoly. Nader, and to a lesser extent Sanders, and even going back to the 1990’s the billionaire Ross Perot all either said the same thing to at least hinting at it.

Trump also got plenty of votes from former Obama voters who weren’t with the Hillary coronation
 
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