luka
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That's cos you're Austrian. There were no black people to be afraid of anyway. It was a different dynamic here.
Bedroom Techno
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That's cos you're Austrian. There were no black people to be afraid of anyway. It was a different dynamic here.
You know, I'm probably thinking more of trance catweasels who went to megatripolis than techno heads.
shiels
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it wasnt explicitly rejected on those terms but there were racial, identity elements at play. this isnt our music. same with all that proceeded from jungle. for people outside london the music asked more of you. there was a crowd and a culture to align with, or not.
90s techno utopianism seemed to be more international and shooting for an escape from identity, or maybe a lust for pulverisation or some vague misanthropy or something. what are you saying to the world when you love techno?
chava
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Danish, but you're right. Heard from someone who visited jungle events in London back then that it did in fact feel a bit intimidating whatever that meant.
chava
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I don't know what to respond to this, but I know for sure that I became a full-on luddite after discovering techno.
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
That you love techno? Jokes. I get the pulverisation thing. The Orbit in Leeds springs to mind. Ferocious. Only went there for Weatherall. Techno (or tekno) people consumed by tenko (or whatever it's called) would dismiss anything other than techno as fluffy anyway, from memory. Exclusion>incorporation. There's def an identity thing underpinning that. Misanthropic sits well as a descriptor. The real comedown hitting things on the slide. Dystopian utopianism and vice-versa.
Never sensed or witnessed anything racial though within quite a broad spectrum of world-views advocated by people who attended any number of nights out across multiple shifting genres, other than wanking over Juan Atkins et al's records. Outside London, inside, i'd emphasise the age range too here, people a decade either side of me. Maybe that's a free party bias? To the haughty House lags among you, you're all deranged.
Granted, this can't possibly cover everyone in Britain at the time, but obvs there's always the odd knob put off by racial elements. People beyond help. Who needs those fools. Stephen Lawrence and masses of other sketchiness is one thing. Jungle as too black among tenko heads? The boring, drone in your ear all night about tekno types? Their focus was an aesthetic purity. Pretty gimpy, but tekno's gonna tenko.
Yeah, you are right, as I said upthread. It was more the double-barreled trance and house lot who rejected jungle, both the idea of going or of listening to it in any setting. Not your good, honest faceless techno bollock.
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
Weird how things diverged. The flyers thread brought back the multi-genre line-up. I know 'remember when' is the lowest form of conversation among a certain Italian-American subculture in NJ, but i miss the madness occasionally.
This Landstrumm lp is still fun and aptly named, here and there. Not advocating for all of it (check the comments lol), but even for a late-era bollock it has some pizazz (fuck off safari with pizza)
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This Landstrumm lp is still fun and aptly named, here and there. Not advocating for all of it (check the comments lol), but even for a late-era bollock it has some pizazz (fuck off safari with pizza)
Neil Landstrumm - Bedrooms And Cities
View credits, reviews, tracks and shop for the 1997 Vinyl release of "Bedrooms And Cities" on Discogs.
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none of this is true, just look at 4hero and reinforced.
and ron wells/jack smooth. Hell even early Dillinja. Even the early rotterdam stuff had breakbeats in it, as did ruffneck records (gabber ardkore continuum.)
if you mean ragga jungle was seen as intimidating, sure, I'll grant that, but even some black people found ragga jungle intimidating - hence LTJ's night Speed.
who the fuck is this shiels cunt anyway? as if he can match my unparalleled expertise in such matters.
and ron wells/jack smooth. Hell even early Dillinja. Even the early rotterdam stuff had breakbeats in it, as did ruffneck records (gabber ardkore continuum.)
if you mean ragga jungle was seen as intimidating, sure, I'll grant that, but even some black people found ragga jungle intimidating - hence LTJ's night Speed.
who the fuck is this shiels cunt anyway? as if he can match my unparalleled expertise in such matters.
This is true and it's a minor quibble I have with @blissblogger's techno presentation in E flash. The reason being that there's a lot of trance revival in the techno scene rn - a kind of false presentation that they were brothers for a while when really that was only the case mid 92 into beginning of 93, if that. The trance sound was long starting diverge into its own thing by the middle of 93.
In fact, all my techno mates are ardent hardcore/jungle heads (and even wobblestep) but cannot under any circumstances withstand prog house and prog trance, which is seen as a fascist enemy.
Leo
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that's hilarious, hard wax today posted in Instagram that 1-4 is out: https://hardwax.com/00737/hoover1/hoover1-4/
there was a purist home listening techno contingent in the UK who hated jungle before it became dnb, kirk degiorgio et al, but their tracks rarely if ever got played at clubs. in fact the black and brown techno jocks, daz saund, trevor rockcliffe, colin dale, Carl Cox, dave angel (and for a brief while loftgroover) - their sets were full of mentalist european hardcore. there's an interview Warlock did with Uncle Dugs which explains it well.. I'll find it.
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
Aye, even jungle effing tekno, but whatever temporal confluence there was didn't last. Cox sold out uber rapid to the 3-deck roadshow £££ circus and you can't have a name like Warlock. Even the Dead dropped that tag early on.
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huge UK techno banger, could not be produced in detroit. it's way too avant.
Similarly the stuff that Laura Grabb was making in New York (released on a label of UK 92 ardkore ravers... so it all comes round full circle)
There were actually four major splits in the hardcore scene, back 2 prog house/garage, happy hardcore/jungle, and techno/hardcoretechno.
Each in their way a fundamentalism and intensification of certain aspects. with house it was the communal flow with no end, the incessantly pumping/chugging groove that went on, with jungle it was the funksoul and reggae influence, with techno it was all those wacky machine noises which jungle mostly left behind by 94, and happy was essentially 92 will never die.
Similarly the stuff that Laura Grabb was making in New York (released on a label of UK 92 ardkore ravers... so it all comes round full circle)
There were actually four major splits in the hardcore scene, back 2 prog house/garage, happy hardcore/jungle, and techno/hardcoretechno.
Each in their way a fundamentalism and intensification of certain aspects. with house it was the communal flow with no end, the incessantly pumping/chugging groove that went on, with jungle it was the funksoul and reggae influence, with techno it was all those wacky machine noises which jungle mostly left behind by 94, and happy was essentially 92 will never die.
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the tech house/minimal thing is different, it's a separate scene to eurobeat2000/dead by dawn/warehouse parties.
It was that club The End club. the owners (who were part of the shahman funnily enough) never got into hardcore to begin with, they played *some acid* but mostly house heads with a bit of early trance. Although of course they didn't mind milking dnb for money hence the renegade hardware/true playaz nights.
It was that club The End club. the owners (who were part of the shahman funnily enough) never got into hardcore to begin with, they played *some acid* but mostly house heads with a bit of early trance. Although of course they didn't mind milking dnb for money hence the renegade hardware/true playaz nights.
this is a great jungle techno mix.
DJextreme – Scud Beatz Vol.5 [1993-94]
Download 01 DJ Ratty - Source Of All Evil - Formation 02 Mystic & Fire Vol.2 - Untitled (Side AA) - Homegrown 03 DJ Sy - Too Much Sense - Jedi 04 T.H.C. - New Dimensions - BMG 05 Roni
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