Nuggets/Pebbles/BackFromTheGrave etc tunes that are nothing like Beatles

luka said:

i dont mind rich being rude to me i just thought it was uncharacteristic and a tonal lapse but i do think this music is quaint at best and i look down on anyone who pretends to like it. unless they are leo's age and its what they were rocking out to at the age of 19. having said that im not immune to the pleasures of the quaint. funnel of love came on in the craft beer and mdf bar i was in this evening and i was enjoying it. the quaint has a place but our enjoyment of it is always condescending. imo.

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if you mean it's old fashioned then yeah it is for sure but that's part of the appeal to me, young dumb guys blasting out a groove and a style, i don't enjoy it at any remove

because its quaint

and becasue our enjoyment of it is necessarily condescending

one of the things we are always doing we when we enjoy this music is we are going hahahah isnt the past so enjoyably silly. and it is.

everybody here knows this is true and no one should be ashamed to admit this component of their own pleasure.

they do funny naive dances and get excited by funny primitive FX and sing silly innocent lyrics and we go hahahah isnt the past so enjoyably silly

and it is.

luka said:

unless they are leo's age and its what they were rocking out to at the age of 19.

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for the record, I didn't start paying attention to music until at about 15 years after most of this stuff was released.

garage rock continuum


The Fall - Strychnine ( Sonics cover )


The Fall - Higgledy Piggledy ( Monks cover )


The Fall - Black Monk Theme 1 ( cover of Monks I Hate You )

and of course, not forgetting the obvious cover of The Other Half


The Fall - Mr Pharmacist

added bonus, seeing as the Wanda Jackson was posted upthread...


The Fall - Funnel of Love

The quaintness becomes more apparent when playing the songs on speakers. When someone else can hear a song you're playing, you hear a lot of things you might not otherwise hear when alone. But are these things a flaw in yourself or a flaw in the song?

Sad I'll probably never hear this, especially "Your Face is Like a Smashed Crab": https://www.popsike.com/Chaos-Unknown-Freakbeat-196-Psych-Acetate-EP-LISTEN/190197526183.html

I don't like garage punk for the quaintness - although I am aware of the quaintness, as I am with almost anything that isn't contemporary. I mean, jungle is quaint, at this point. So is 2step. Would you say that the primary pleasure in listening to Sly Stone or Al Green is the quaintness? Or a King Tubby dub? No, because on a basic level it still does the job it was made for. The machine functions. In the same way that a landline phone, a hand-pushed lawnmower, or non-electric typewriter, can still do the task.

(There is a reductio absurdum with this line of argument, where strictly speaking something from just a few years ago should already feel quaint)

You can respond to the timeless element in something (the energy, feeling, demand) while simultaneously enjoying the datedness (the formal constraints or period characteristics of something). It happens with books, films, TV series from the past - why not music? You think 'the lighting and camera angles are very 1980s', or 'why do people in Seinfeld wear such large, baggy, cloth heavy shirts?'. But some other element cuts through. Fawlty Towers features things that no one eats today - prawn cocktails - or thinks about (who won the War?) but on the level of character and conflict it's as ageless as Shakespeare.

Perhaps there's a level of refinement of sensibility where you can enjoy - be amused by - the quaintness of the present.

I think also along with the amusement or ironic enjoyment of the periodicity of something, there is also a poignancy, which gets more and more plangent as you become aware of the passing of time in your own life. Whether it's a record or an ancient clip of a performance, there's this energy flaring out in the void, people having the time of their lives, expressing themselves in very particular ways, with whatever means available to them. Then with more ideas / ideals-based sounds, like psychedelia or postpunk, you are confronted with traces of things people cared about or got excited about, hopes and urgencies.

With pop music it's poignant especially because it's such a young thing, on the whole, and not many will end up doing it as a lifelong thing. So you might also wonder "where are they now?". The singer in Chocolate Watchband became a professor of astronomy, which is pretty cool, but others might not have done anything on a par with these one or two records of incandescent energy they made when they were 19 or 22.

i think this stuff is particularly quaint in a way dub or jungle isnt. thats my feeling. to me its only scooby doo music. thats the sole source of the pleasure.