hip hop '10

alex

Do not read this.
-materialistic subject matter
-half-arsed rhymes - most of the time they're 'off the head' which is not necessarily a bad thing, but it kind of cheapens his style. i don't care if he's been rhyming since he was 5 or whatever.
-auto tune
-pretending to play the guitar
-annoying trolly little voice

these are all the reasons I dislike him, completely agree. Really, really, intensely dislike the lazy/blazay sort of attitude to rhyming, which has inturn spawned a slew of weak imitations, who have even WORSE content, and even WORSE rhymes.

'Outdated' thug rap>>>>>>>lil wayne. all day, every day

edit* obviously pop bootles/a milli and single are smashers, he has some gems, but definitely a lack of quality control.
 

alex

Do not read this.
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Am i missing something? This is one of the worst things ever. Killer is i watched this a few weeks back and was more obsessed with the video, i probably watched it on mute or something, but, yea, wtf?
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
-materialistic subject matter
-half-arsed rhymes - most of the time they're 'off the head' which is not necessarily a bad thing, but it kind of cheapens his style. i don't care if he's been rhyming since he was 5 or whatever.
-auto tune
-pretending to play the guitar
-annoying trolly little voice
-high output, low quality

Agree with autotune - can't stand it in general. I'm not a huge defender of this, I just think his high points are pretty damn good, and the excessive hate seems as though it has some ulterior agenda to do with the South/his success (though I take your points). I like stuff like 'Receipt' and 'Mr Carter', and the old records with Cash Money. Always mystified by the acclaim for 'A Milli', but I think that's going to remain a mystery to me.

Edit: That Soulja Boy is pretty bad. Can someone also explain the appeal of Rick Ross to hardcore hip-hop heads (his and Soulja Boy's styles seem to have a bit in common), and how he got to number #1 in the (very good) Cocaine Blunts yearly chart? I kinda like him as a novelty thing, but I would've thought that he'd have been loathed by many.
 
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Benny B

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I think if you're gonna dismiss anyone in hip hop with 'materialistic subject matter', then you're gonna miss out on a lot of good music.
 

Corpsey

call me big papa
''B.M.F.'' is overrated I think, great Lex Luger beat but I don't rate Ross on it much at all. Don't really get the fuss, perhaps it will click at some point. On the American hip-hop forum I go on ''BMF'' was basically in everybody's top 10, usually near the top. ''Hard In The Paint'' (and the whole of Flockaveli basically, and ''Body Bags'' off Wooh Da Kid's ''Blackout'' mixtape) shows how great Waka is (despite his many failings) over those beats - he's got that ridiculously larger than life delivery which goes with how dramatic and energetic those trap beats are.

I seem to remember this being quite good, I haven't heard much Rick Ross though.

 

petergunn

plywood violin
Can someone also explain the appeal of Rick Ross

larry hoover!!!!!!!!

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people like BMF b/c Styles P is on it, so it feels more like "real hip hop"..............
 
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CrowleyHead

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In the case of "BMF", it's a combination of things. On one hand, you've got Lex Luger expanding the formula he did with "Hard In Da Paint", except you have a rapper who's already had hit records, so people are more likely to put his single on radio.

On another hand, Ross has been developing this new gimmick thing where he starts screaming shit. After two albums of doing this mellow taunting thing, it's weird to see him suddenly acting like he's got something important to say. The big turn around was probably this record; (Which also has a Wayne verse that defends his hype to a marginal degree).

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I'm just saying, Ross pulling off his shades and hissing "LOOK INTO MY EYES, DO YOU SEE A C.O.!?!?" might've been the best line all year. More because his eyes are hideous than any greatness of the lyrics.

As far as how 'real hip-hop' people like Ross... He's been around in some form or another for 10 years or so (his first appearance is actually on a Erick Sermon album under the name Teflon), and when he didn't do a song like "BMF" on his last album, it was all this lushly produced, live instruments, 'soulful' stuff... Lot of Justice League.

Also; Cocaine Blunts isn't a 'pure' hip-hop blog. Noz tends to study trends/sub-movements in hip-hop. The guy collected like every "Crank Dat..." record in a mix once. I think he sees the importance of Ross jacking Waka's vibe and running with it in a commercial fashion.

Styles P's presence on that record is irrelevant. So far not ONE New Yorker can figure out what to do on a Lex Luger beat.
 

petergunn

plywood violin
In the case of "BMF", it's a combination of things. On one hand, you've got Lex Luger expanding the formula he did with "Hard In Da Paint", except you have a rapper who's already had hit records, so people are more likely to put his single on radio.

Styles P's presence on that record is irrelevant. So far not ONE New Yorker can figure out what to do on a Lex Luger beat.

dipset do ok...


i feel like MC Hammer is a just a better beat and song than BMF, (and has more of the energy of Hard in Da Paint), but it's just a matter of taste...
 

CrowleyHead

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I agree with you there. Essentially the two records are almost identical, and "MC Hammer" has both a better guest verse and performance by Ross. But "BMF" worked better. Maybe the beat change for the 2nd verse, maybe the chorus is catchier (Which is funny, considering not everyone knows who Big Meech is.)

Also, Dipset don't really get it. My problem with Fab, Jim and Styles hitting Lex Luger beats is that everyone else gets it; you hit the beat, and you proceed to batter your opponent senseless. It's why Gucci actually doesn't quite work on Lex beats. (OJ is the weird contradiction to this theory; maybe because his rhymes are always really hyper, so the beats provide a foil to his ridiculousness?) These guys swag around, trying to sound cool. This isn't about being cool. This is about destroying shit.
 

petergunn

plywood violin
I agree with you there. Essentially the two records are almost identical, and "MC Hammer" has both a better guest verse and performance by Ross. But "BMF" worked better. Maybe the beat change for the 2nd verse, maybe the chorus is catchier (Which is funny, considering not everyone knows who Big Meech is.)

Also, Dipset don't really get it. My problem with Fab, Jim and Styles hitting Lex Luger beats is that everyone else gets it; you hit the beat, and you proceed to batter your opponent senseless. It's why Gucci actually doesn't quite work on Lex beats. (OJ is the weird contradiction to this theory; maybe because his rhymes are always really hyper, so the beats provide a foil to his ridiculousness?) These guys swag around, trying to sound cool. This isn't about being cool. This is about destroying shit.

WE IN THIS BITCH THROWING GANG SIGNS, MAYNNNNNG!


i get you mean, re: dipset, but maybe that is the genius of Rick Ross, in that he sounds both laid back AND strained on tracks like MC Hammer and BMF... he def does not attack the beat, he lives in the spaces... in that way, Ross's flow on those records is VERY similar to Dipset flows on tracks like Santana's town:


in general, NY dudes are either too laid back or not comfortable enough at the generally slow tempos of down south stuff to really come off on it... there are some exceptions:

 

luka

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if you dont know why lil wayne is good you dont like rappers. bascially. obviosuly not everything is good but....
 

Tony Flavourmore

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Agree with autotune - can't stand it in general. I'm not a huge defender of this, I just think his high points are pretty damn good, and the excessive hate seems as though it has some ulterior agenda to do with the South/his success (though I take your points). I like stuff like 'Receipt' and 'Mr Carter', and the old records with Cash Money. Always mystified by the acclaim for 'A Milli', but I think that's going to remain a mystery to me.


With an output as high as his - he's bound to hit some real high points and make some decent tracks
Has anyone seen this documentary, The Carter?
http://en.musicplayon.com/play?v=450769

It follows him around while he tours, before the release of the Carter 3.
He comes across like a spoilt child.

As for appreciating materialistic subject matter in hip hop, I realise there are many good songs made solely about this, I even rate some of the rappers highly, Cam'ron particularly.
But I think it's pretty played out in general.

edit: care to expand on that, luka?
 
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CrowleyHead

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If you're going to dislike a rapper because he's a spoiled child, or because he's an exploitative leech, or etc. etc. You're going to run out of rappers to like really fast.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
Also; Cocaine Blunts isn't a 'pure' hip-hop blog. Noz tends to study trends/sub-movements in hip-hop. The guy collected like every "Crank Dat..." record in a mix once. I think he sees the importance of Ross jacking Waka's vibe and running with it in a commercial fashion.

Yeah, I really like the blog, it's turned me on to quite a lot of stuff. I was just surprised to see Rick Ross as number 1, though I definitely like the song - I would've expected Earl or Wiz Khalifa or something to be top.
 

outraygeous

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I think this has been an interesting year for hiphop. Quality of beats has def simplified and its more about the delivery.

Content rich raps have def given way to shock/delivery

Although people saying Odd Future do shock raps is a bit lame, isnt that just normal stuff people think about (maybe just me?)

Anyway, will be looking forward to see what happens with Tyler and OF and the rest of the new rappers and beat makers I have discovered this year.

Def hoping that Danny Brown can come over here.
 

gumdrops

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i like BMF a lot (though i dont know why styles p needs to be on it) but most of those songs on the top part of the cbrap list, i cant get into. i like rick ross a lot though. hes got a lot of presence. and he picks good beats. i wanna see how much more grandiose lex luger can get.
 
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