Well yeah, it was quite funny to watch, but frustrating at the same time.I, like anyone else whose heart is not made of stone,
laughed gleefully at that footage.
That's not the point.
I think this is a great question.As far as I can see, not too many of us here other than OME are doing very much about this in the real world in response to that ticking clock. Why is that?
That's the question that I'm more interested in.
With all respect to Corpsey, the middle class can't make this country grind to a halt. Parts of the tube network can be shutdown by protest (or something terrible like 7/7).They know the middle class in this country is still powerful, not as powerful as it once was, but still hugely influential. To quote Corpsey again "the communists have been waiting all over a 100 years for the proles to kickstart a revolution and it hasn't happened. The middle class need to take matters into their own hands they are the revolutionary class. The middle class is the fulcrum of power."
war is probably the most effective way to mobilise people. i think that is why trump is possibly provoking the situation with iran right now. a war would really help him. but obviously you need a state to provoke or initiate war, so the next best thing would be for a sovereign state to take on the XR manifesto in a committed way, which isn't gonna happen anytime soon.Yes most people have 'more pressing concerns' how do you mobilise those who don't and what action do you take? It's just a fun thought experiment. Strategise.
ok fair enough. The truth is that I can't tell to what extent this is a wind-up. Certainly there is an element of provocation. I decided to pick up corpseys idea for fun, just to play around with it but it became a way to explore the field of possibilities, to actually enter into the strategic process. Without a position it's very difficult to do that. Once I had adopted that position I started to find it quite compelling. I think there is a lot of truth in it. It's not an unassailable position, but it has its strengths.Well yeah, it was quite funny to watch, but frustrating at the same time.
I dunno if this conversation is really going anywhere because you've fallen back to your "You're missing the point" position like you do when you're on the wind-up rather than interesting in discussing something.
This is true but the reason for this is that they are deprived of our crucial and decisive input. Precisely the reason that from here on in we are taking the reins. Specifically me and John.Also, finally - all movements make mistakes and it was inevitable that someone would do something stupid under the XR banner eventually.
What's so frustrating is XR's insistence on dismissing previous protest movements - so they can't even learn from their mistakes.
I wonder about my own resistance to getting involved at all - I've definitely not been super-involved politically over the past decade, but have been to enough protests/actions that to go to another few in the service of XR would not be outside my comfort zine.I think this is a great question.
XR does seem inaccessible to people - even people like me. This ties in with the resentment from "ordinary" people. How do you manage to pay your rent/mortgage/bills whilst living in a tent or glued to a tube train or standing by the Bank of England in the rain, for days on end. Or from prison.
A lot of us probably DO do individualised things to try and put the brakes on climate change. But that isn't enough.
Is there a space for collective action that isn't the preserve of the hyper activist young or safely retired middle class people?
I was wondering whether he's still in prison, I've not seen him around recentlyRoger Hallam calling the holocaust "just another fuckary in human history" is all the rage right now in Germany. A renowed publisher is pulling the german version of a book of his ready for publishing this autumn at the moment.
Well if you are thinking at the scale of planetary annihilation and species extinction then it is. Not very tactful to say so mind you.Roger Hallam calling the holocaust "just another fuckary in human history" is all the rage right now in Germany. A renowed publisher is pulling the german version of a book of his ready for publishing this autumn at the moment.