john eden

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I don't think generalisations are necessarily reductive. if people are motivated by some drive or desire (whether it's lizard-brain stuff or something more rarified) it doesn't mean that's the *only* thing motivating them (people are subject to multiple contradictory drives), it doesn't mean everyone is subject to the same drives in the same way, and it doesn't mean people are automatons who are completely determined by their desires.

humans are quite a violent species, imo. that's why there's so much history knocking around. that's not all they are, of course, and there's also the question of how much of it is nature and how much is nurture, but either way it certainly seems to be a part of us
Fair enough. I witness a lot less violence these days than I used to and it seems to less accepted as being part of daily life in London than it was in say the 1980s. But maybe I just saw more of it then because I was younger and out more.

So I think the only sensible position is that it is both nature and nurture and we need to find good outlets for it, such as anti-fascism, martial arts, slam dancing and S&M.
 

luka

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so where does society come from if not from people? (sorry, catching up)
People +

People and the interaction of people and non people the whole rest of reality force and substance. Weird question.
 

version

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I've just been reading some of k-punk's old blog posts and under one on an old post of Craner's about the Cold War someone's left the following:

the death drive permeates pop all the way thru e.g "the leader of the pack". it's the kind of death craved that changes from genre to genre. with the early industrialists, they wanted a death that matched their aesthetic - impersonal and mass-produced. making nuclear war an ideal candidate.

Assuming this is true, what's the death-aesthetic these days? Drifting away, numbed on prescription drugs, seems the obvious one what with the prevalence of the stuff in hip-hop atm.
 

DannyL

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Part of a death-aesthetic seems to be widespread disengagement, cynicism etc. In music I guess you'd see this in emo-rap like xxxtentacion. There seems o be an inward turning there that mirrors the mental health crisis. t I probably don't have my finger firmly enough on the pulse of the new to be able to answer that clearly.
 

version

Who loves ya, baby?
I think a fair few people crave an on-screen death, to be seen; lone shooters in the US livestreaming themselves. I dunno whether that translates to music though, I guess the way someone like 6ix9ine was using Instagram to bait people and rapping about it could be one way.
 

luka

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luka

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I've just been reading some of k-punk's old blog posts and under one on an old post of Craner's about the Cold War someone's left the following:

the death drive permeates pop all the way thru e.g "the leader of the pack". it's the kind of death craved that changes from genre to genre. with the early industrialists, they wanted a death that matched their aesthetic - impersonal and mass-produced. making nuclear war an ideal candidate.

Assuming this is true, what's the death-aesthetic these days? Drifting away, numbed on prescription drugs, seems the obvious one what with the prevalence of the stuff in hip-hop atm.
The death promised by climate change is a retributive death. The wages of sin. A death we deserve.
 

pattycakes_

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This is one of the things Ballard got right. We are all aware our feet have never touched the ground. We are desperate for disaster. We are hungry for The Real. We are not content with global warming, we have to accelerate it. There is no way out of this logiv. We all know our secret desires. We want to turn the world upside down. The protagonist in any Ballard novel only comes alive once the worst has happened. We want it. We need it. The vultures waiting on the street lights and telephone wires.
Do we still want it?
 

pattycakes_

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The death promised by climate change is a retributive death. The wages of sin. A death we deserve.
Man back in November you could say shit like this without Tea crawling up your ass for 4 days and adding it to his dossier to submit to the SS at the end of the month
 

luka

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That's a good line I love it when I'm feeling really slow and stupid and then see a snappy line a younger version of me came out with
 
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