mistersloane
heavy heavy monster sound
genius
genius
lazybones
f, d , d+f , p.
"the tomb faced cunt steve lamaq is proud of wearing, tapping them together whilst he listens to shed seven"
haahaa. brilliant.
i suppose i should enjoy my 20s as the last few years were i can just wear a hoody with jeans. a shirt if i'm feeling it. thats it tho... i guess that excludes me from the discussion..
tho i do agree a nice jacket can offset a standard flex... its always the case tho that i when i find something its not the right fit or costs 500£.
as far as trainers go , all about nike court force hi.... i like the clean looking timberlands too[not the ones with all the fancy schmancy rubbish that the rza,bless him, would probably love
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i really like the suits bruno posted though. far more so than all these gimp fashion victim outfits... reminds me of what my dad wore wwaaay back .. .
oh yeh and shaved head standard. makes me feel a bit smug when i run into someone whos spent 2 hours with hair wax....
haahaa. brilliant.
i suppose i should enjoy my 20s as the last few years were i can just wear a hoody with jeans. a shirt if i'm feeling it. thats it tho... i guess that excludes me from the discussion..
tho i do agree a nice jacket can offset a standard flex... its always the case tho that i when i find something its not the right fit or costs 500£.
as far as trainers go , all about nike court force hi.... i like the clean looking timberlands too[not the ones with all the fancy schmancy rubbish that the rza,bless him, would probably love
up]
i really like the suits bruno posted though. far more so than all these gimp fashion victim outfits... reminds me of what my dad wore wwaaay back .. .
oh yeh and shaved head standard. makes me feel a bit smug when i run into someone whos spent 2 hours with hair wax....
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don't worry, you can wear that to your grave if you like -- America is a nation of anti-sophistication, anti-refinement, anti-fashion sloppy babies, and with American culture being whole-sale exported to the rest of the world, people everywhere of all ages can now enjoy oversized shorts, flip-flops, and ill-fitting T-shirts for all ocasions. horay for USA!
o the lines are drawn: the dress-ups and dress-downs. or those who appreciate and those who hate high fashion.
to the haters: it's safe to assume, because you are on this board, that you have no problems with the most fussed over sound design, and you probably agree that it can be an art form which makes life more interesting, and provides a sphere of elevated experience not necessary by any stretch, but is very, very important to those involved.
how is fashion design any different? why do you have to hate on people who make it or enjoy it?
bruno
est malade
zhao, i'm not against people dressing well, no.
i suppose what i meant to say is that you're more likely to find interesting people among the grey populace, the people you don't notice, than among the flaboyant, which you do. this in my experience, which i don't think can be extrapolated to anything.
but it's true, i've met arms dealers, mystics, dropouts, people with weird fetishes, a lot of interesting people and they've all dressed inconspicuously, not bad at all (in some cases pretty dapper) but definitely not flamboyant or artsy or fashion-consciously (which is in bad taste anyway).
that's not to say there are some incredibly interesting creative people that have a high sense of aesthetics on the clothes front, that are very elegant, very idiosyncratic. but never flamboyant, never catwalk dior, at least the ones i'm interested in.
i suppose what i meant to say is that you're more likely to find interesting people among the grey populace, the people you don't notice, than among the flaboyant, which you do. this in my experience, which i don't think can be extrapolated to anything.
but it's true, i've met arms dealers, mystics, dropouts, people with weird fetishes, a lot of interesting people and they've all dressed inconspicuously, not bad at all (in some cases pretty dapper) but definitely not flamboyant or artsy or fashion-consciously (which is in bad taste anyway).
that's not to say there are some incredibly interesting creative people that have a high sense of aesthetics on the clothes front, that are very elegant, very idiosyncratic. but never flamboyant, never catwalk dior, at least the ones i'm interested in.
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a lothario is a creepy/sleezy guy who is always trolling for sex in an unctuous manner. don't know what a ponce is but i'm guessing it stands in for "gay"
i mostly wear black, gray, navy blue and dark neutrals (but usually pieces with a lot of *subtle* detail). then ONE piece of jewelry or bright clothing or especially well-made shoes stands out. clothes should always draw attention up to your face, in the end. compliment your skin tone, etc.
i did just get this sweater dress by marc jacobs that i think is pretty cool in lighter neutrals. and i got the mod/military jacket i posted before. i wear leggings a lot, but i have been since 2000. i wear vintage boots, i admit it. i hate how people on the LES and in ny have been doing that for literally 7 years, then hollywood stylists put it on Lindsey Lohan and she's a "trendsetter."
with slim jeans, you want them to be form-fitting but not skin tight, and yeah, those weirdly boxy ones i'm not a fan of either. i have these sass and bide misfits (in three colors) which i love:
i mostly wear black, gray, navy blue and dark neutrals (but usually pieces with a lot of *subtle* detail). then ONE piece of jewelry or bright clothing or especially well-made shoes stands out. clothes should always draw attention up to your face, in the end. compliment your skin tone, etc.
i did just get this sweater dress by marc jacobs that i think is pretty cool in lighter neutrals. and i got the mod/military jacket i posted before. i wear leggings a lot, but i have been since 2000. i wear vintage boots, i admit it. i hate how people on the LES and in ny have been doing that for literally 7 years, then hollywood stylists put it on Lindsey Lohan and she's a "trendsetter."
with slim jeans, you want them to be form-fitting but not skin tight, and yeah, those weirdly boxy ones i'm not a fan of either. i have these sass and bide misfits (in three colors) which i love:
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i think it's silly to act like people who are fashion-conscious can't be intelligent or interesting. i've met hundreds of fascinating people who ARE fashion conscious, bruno. it works both ways...
Zhao: have you ever tried Bluefly.com? they have some good deals on designer shoes, suits, etc.
Zhao: have you ever tried Bluefly.com? they have some good deals on designer shoes, suits, etc.
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Guybrush
Dittohead
Lothario (it always makes me think of Lothar: Mandrake’s brawny sidekick):
Lothario is a character in Nicholas Rowe's 1703 play, The Fair Penitent, who seduces and betrays the female lead. The name has come to mean any handsome seducer, generally male.
There is, as well, an unrelated character named Lothario or Lotario in Cervantes' Don Quixote.
I think overt trendiness, in general, is a telling sign of inner voidness. I will explain why later.
Lothario is a character in Nicholas Rowe's 1703 play, The Fair Penitent, who seduces and betrays the female lead. The name has come to mean any handsome seducer, generally male.
There is, as well, an unrelated character named Lothario or Lotario in Cervantes' Don Quixote.
I think overt trendiness, in general, is a telling sign of inner voidness. I will explain why later.
craner
Beast of Burden
re: Emmanuelle 1 & 2. I think that's a superb point. This is a good avenue to go down, actually, particularly in relation to some of the trash coming down the catwalk and onto high streets these days. I like David Hemmings' combo in Profundo Russo for example. George Hilton looks good in most of Perché quelle strane gocce di sangue sul corpo di Jennifer?
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http://www.style.com/fashionshows/collections/S2007CTR/review/JPGAULTI
PARIS, January 24, 2007 – The couture faithful at Jean Paul Gaultier may not have literally expected a full religious experience, but that’s what they got, complete with a large puff of incense and a visitation by the saints. From first to last, every model wore a halo. Their faces were painted like plaster statues, their garb inspired by the vernacular devotional art found in local churches throughout the Catholic world.
Oh, do tell, Guybrush. Is it because the body is evil? Material things are bad? You can't possibly lead a full and rich life and care about how you look, right? Total bullshit.
I think being slovenly is a sign of anhedonia/apathy and inner cluelessness.
PARIS, January 24, 2007 – The couture faithful at Jean Paul Gaultier may not have literally expected a full religious experience, but that’s what they got, complete with a large puff of incense and a visitation by the saints. From first to last, every model wore a halo. Their faces were painted like plaster statues, their garb inspired by the vernacular devotional art found in local churches throughout the Catholic world.
Oh, do tell, Guybrush. Is it because the body is evil? Material things are bad? You can't possibly lead a full and rich life and care about how you look, right? Total bullshit.
I think being slovenly is a sign of anhedonia/apathy and inner cluelessness.
mistersloane
heavy heavy monster sound
A mate of mine pushed John Paul Gautier down the stairs once.
I was in Lesotho in Africa a while back, and talking about how wicked everyone looks there ( white wellies turned down, a handknitted blanket in swathes as upper and lower body covering, and a bright coloured band around the neck to hang ones mobile from ) and a lady was saying how once you got your food and your shelter covered, the next stage in human 'development' is adornment.
I hate to use the word 'fashion' because it comes with too many hang-ups but adornment is vital. It celebrates the very nature of being alive and prosperous enough to be able to adorn oneself, to say loud that one is living.
I really, really sympathise with Zhao in wanting to look great but not be treated like a bimbo. it's easy to attract attention if you look great, but harder to be taken seriously, especially in academic circles, the idea presumably being that one has better things to think about than looking good, as if it takes that much time.
Myself, aside from a couple of power-dressing fuck off expensive fuck off I can afford this shit too items, I pretty much buy from charity ( thrift ) shops and second-hand, aside from that totally great Jah Division T-shirt I got on the net from Brooklyn.
In my revolution, I'd want everyone to look great.
I was in Lesotho in Africa a while back, and talking about how wicked everyone looks there ( white wellies turned down, a handknitted blanket in swathes as upper and lower body covering, and a bright coloured band around the neck to hang ones mobile from ) and a lady was saying how once you got your food and your shelter covered, the next stage in human 'development' is adornment.
I hate to use the word 'fashion' because it comes with too many hang-ups but adornment is vital. It celebrates the very nature of being alive and prosperous enough to be able to adorn oneself, to say loud that one is living.
I really, really sympathise with Zhao in wanting to look great but not be treated like a bimbo. it's easy to attract attention if you look great, but harder to be taken seriously, especially in academic circles, the idea presumably being that one has better things to think about than looking good, as if it takes that much time.
Myself, aside from a couple of power-dressing fuck off expensive fuck off I can afford this shit too items, I pretty much buy from charity ( thrift ) shops and second-hand, aside from that totally great Jah Division T-shirt I got on the net from Brooklyn.
In my revolution, I'd want everyone to look great.
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Amen, Sloane. If music or film or anything else humans do that goes beyond necessity or survival is a testament to human ingenuity, then why should dressing be any different? I think it's easier for women to dress very deliberately without being thought of as completely stupid, but then again, the "feminine" tendency to care about clothing has traditionally been associated with general feminine "weakness" or feeble-mindedness.
That's what's so great about glam. It reclaims the semiotics of dress as a vital part of the human tendency to want to enjoy life.
I also resent the idea that people have who don't care about clothes that goes like this: people who DO care about clothes don't have better things to worry about, and don't think about more important things, and are essentially looking for attention or are trying to impress people. The way I dress is solely for ME--I wear what makes me feel good, and what I think represents me in a total way aesthetically.
Besides, how many of these people participate in leisure class activities like message boards and video games and TV watching? There's no qualitative difference, if you ask me. Or anyone who has a brain cell or two.
That's what's so great about glam. It reclaims the semiotics of dress as a vital part of the human tendency to want to enjoy life.
I also resent the idea that people have who don't care about clothes that goes like this: people who DO care about clothes don't have better things to worry about, and don't think about more important things, and are essentially looking for attention or are trying to impress people. The way I dress is solely for ME--I wear what makes me feel good, and what I think represents me in a total way aesthetically.
Besides, how many of these people participate in leisure class activities like message boards and video games and TV watching? There's no qualitative difference, if you ask me. Or anyone who has a brain cell or two.
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mistersloane
heavy heavy monster sound
It is really hard though. I used to work with two stylists who did great work, but when pushed to talk about ( and defend ) what they did, were left with the kinda 'well, I just like, erm, making nice images, erm, making people look good'. I think fashion is increasingly hard to defend, especially if one's outside the box.
What about homeless people though? My favourite guy in London wears outer layers of nothing but newspaper, layers and layers and layers of it, and when he walks around, and the wind blows, he leaves a paper trail floating behind him, it's fucking beautiful, hes like a walking media blizzard.
What about homeless people though? My favourite guy in London wears outer layers of nothing but newspaper, layers and layers and layers of it, and when he walks around, and the wind blows, he leaves a paper trail floating behind him, it's fucking beautiful, hes like a walking media blizzard.
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nomadologist
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I think there's a line to be drawn between what's reasonable and what's decadent, as with anything. Buying one of those hideous Louis Vuitton bags just because everyone has one, even if you really can't afford it and have to max out your credit cards to do it, is stupid. That's when it's conspicuous consumption. But sometimes it's part of your line of work to need to uphold a certain level of stylishness. Often it's just something that comes naturally to a person--liking color and texture and proportion. It's hard to defend taking money for fueling a glamour industry, but the same could be said to a talented studio musician who's going on tour with a stadium-filling band.
Some of the homeless people in front of Port Authority are actually pretty cool-looking--they have a sort of 80s crackhead afro-futurist style, and it's definitely deliberate for some of them. One of the regulars once tried to sell my boyfriend and me crack and we got to talking, because he liked my boyfriends sneakers. He actually knew a thing or two about fashion, too. Probably from the magazine stands he lives near.
Of all the things I've seen in NY, I've never seen a man dressed in print media...
Some of the homeless people in front of Port Authority are actually pretty cool-looking--they have a sort of 80s crackhead afro-futurist style, and it's definitely deliberate for some of them. One of the regulars once tried to sell my boyfriend and me crack and we got to talking, because he liked my boyfriends sneakers. He actually knew a thing or two about fashion, too. Probably from the magazine stands he lives near.
Of all the things I've seen in NY, I've never seen a man dressed in print media...
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sorry that's very funny but i've just been watching sofia coppola's film about marie antoinette and that sort of resonates in an unfortunate way (with sc, not ma, i didn't learn very much about her)........the crisis in aesthetics after postmodernism ensures only the subproles too out of their minds with worry/glue/crack can look truly cool since only they can completely lack self consciousness
the problem (always with the problematics now) seems to be that interesting clothes will be conspicuous, and that is not usually endearing
although maybe androcentric, for women i think slightly more unusual things can work in everyday settings
also it isn't really a leisure class thing in the same way as tv (they have tv in burkina faso), there isn't a lot of stuff that's good and you wouldn't feel fucked over when buying it......i got a good veronique branquinho tshirt for about 20% of rrp but that's rare even on ebay, and it's mostly only the crap expensive stuff that can be bought with that sort of reduction
if someone is young and good looking and highly sociable and has the cash then it might be worthwhile buying lots couturier stuff, but mostly the people who buy this shit all the time fall into between 0 and 2 of those categories
also hats, there aren't enough good types of hats, someone needs to invent some new types of hats
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most of my favorite people in the world are "subproles", for sure
sophia coppola drives me nuts, even if she is mj's "muse", on the other hand
i've never thought of couture as something to own or wear, it's more like clothing on the same plane of abstraction as architecture
sophia coppola drives me nuts, even if she is mj's "muse", on the other hand
i've never thought of couture as something to own or wear, it's more like clothing on the same plane of abstraction as architecture
absolutley- terrible stuff.
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truly terrible, though i haven't seen marie antoinette. lost in translation was the worst piece of garbage (file under: "oh my god, my life is so profound, i am rich and have no problems, asia is weird") i remember seeing in the past few years, given the positive reviews