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Well this illustrates one of the problems of defining what is rational doesn't it? You could say both of those things were 'rational' from the point of view of achieving certain desired ends. Depends if you buy the demonstration doesn't it. And that hinges on deciding what is 'better', which is...

Why should you have to pay if it doesn't really 'cost' the lender anything to lend it? No, because money can be withheld without loss to the lender. Interest is a ransom, a racket. It's not a resource, it's a representation. Seeing it as a resource is part of the problem I think.

It comes down to this though: Well it was just in this one isolated case as illustrated above really. But I think there's quite a bit of bias in your statements here as well, no? That rationality and empiricism are 'demonstrably' 'better'. They have their uses and limitations I think...

If there are parallels in the two discussions it's not inherent to my posts specifically is it? As I see it this is simply a disagreement about evidence and interpretation. To bring in analyses of the pathology of conspiracy (um, theory) culture or the lack of imagination of the traditional...

Not at all - stay on topic - this is about religious types understanding postmodernism better than a scientist. Although I think swears read that as them being unreasonable because in other ways they want to be less tolerant. Maybe he'd like to chime in and get the thread back to what it was...

Yeah - Trip To The Moon was one of first things that came to mind but then I thought that John Barry's Bond music isn't really Classical.

Not necessarily, that's just in this context of someone like RD misunderstanding religious viewpoints as being necessarily useless and/or overly dogmatic while himself providing a good example of mono thinking. So the reason I state it that way is that it applies equally to both sides. That's...

Well the bathwater in this case is presumably the dogmatism and socially proscriptive stuff etc. The baby being the concepts that we can use to understand the universe and how we operate in it. I wonder if Dawkins has read Eric Davis?

Dubchild - Bumbaclart Riddim http://www.discogs.com/release/746789 Uses a huge bombastic 'classical' sample.

Maybe you should start a thread Tanadan, I'm sure you'll get lots of suggestions.

I didn't mean interest Rich, I meant more broadly. Like, should it be acceptable for a broker to trade in essential commodities that they have no interest in other than to make money out of the trade? Isn't that rather arse about face as regards what we actually require of a market - i.e. a fair...

That's quite the broad category isn't it? So much to choose from. These are London for me today: Coldcut - Autumn Leaves (Irresistible Force Mix) The Black Dog - Cost II

It's a shame k-punk dropped out - he was making a lot of sense. Although this... ...takes a little digesting. Maybe arriving at a definition of capitalism isn't as interesting or useful as getting at what, if anything, it is that is wrong with money as it is presently used. Although that might...

Has there been Zapp on this thread? Too funk? I know 'More Bounce To The Ounce' is the hipsters choice of Zapp hit but I've always liked these. It Doesn't Really Matter Computer Love

That's a fine looking creature zhao, do you have any without the octopus?

Nah mate, it's all impersonal stochastic forces and the power of the individual is just a comforting fiction that you cling to because you are afraid of an essentially godless universe, or something. ;) I think woops was being sarcastic though anyway. Funky is a boring name for a style - what...

'Logical factionalism', yes same point really I guess. Depends where you draw the lines, but they are always movable to an extent whenever there are unknowns involved, as there always are of course. I read through the Zmag article you linked to - I thought the definitions given at the top were...

I don't think so. Although I wouldn't have introduced solipsism into this as a theme at all. Your point doesn't make sense for me - because it seems to be predicated in this case on the notion that 9/11 was all about middle-east stuff. No, wait - I have no idea what you are trying to say with...

Or, if you understand the truth about 'ultimate reality' or god(s) to be either fundamentally 'unknowable' or at least not transmittable by words, which isn't necessarily quite the same thing as saying that 'reality' is entirely constructed by 'man'. But yeah, I think those ancient sages...

I refer you to my post above. I don't think this is really true of many, if any, religions at their core. The basis for most religions is philosophical, ontological and based on much enquiry into the nature of the world and being I would say. They do actually come out of people sitting down and...