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I'm just describing religion as I understand it. I think it is the case that in some religions, and/or schools thereof, ideas about Deity and other tenets are intended to be regarded as essentially metaphorical. That isn't to say that they're not taken seriously or based on strong traditions of...

Yeah, it's just interesting that of all those contentious religious issues, God vs. Evolution has become the big match for some reason when really science doesn't make any assertions in this area that should bother most Christians as far as I can see. I suppose the moral is that we should be...

I wouldn't say it's a category error - it's just erroneous. But I'm not doing that, when I said 'non-scientific' I suppose I should have said 'religious'. This is about Dawkins' rather broad approach to discounting the value of 'religious' thought. Well of course not, who said it did? Also that...

That's a rather specific and limited characterisation of a 'religious mindset' you've drawn there, although it might apply to a percentage of religious people. I think for many they are quite able to separate how they approach different aspects of their lives, same as everyone else in the modern...

So what. My point is that it's interesting to me from the point of view of seeing the lack imagination and creativity demonstrated by 'creationists' that they can't reconcile these two things specifically. You know, if God is omnipotent and exists outside of time then why should He not be...

Of course that gets back to the 'ignosticism' position - we can't realistically discuss religion without defining what it is we are talking about. I did say 'some' ways of conceptualising and interacting with the world. Perhaps those things you list could also be seen as where religion...

"In the Universe as a whole, the conserved constants (electric charge, angular momentum, mass-energy) add up to/cancel out to exactly 0. There isn't any net electric charge or angular momentum. The world's positive mass-energy is exactly cancelled out by its negative gravitational potential...

Except that atheism is concerned with the same area of things as religion is and those other examples aren't so much. In any case, Christians only have to believe in the existence of one god whereas atheists have to believe in the non-existence of countless deities, therefore atheism is the...

Please excuse the slight rewind to an earlier part of this thread. I collected all of these when I was a lad. It was a Marvel UK production and ran to only 17 issues before petering out, but it was in effect the Marvel universe declaring it's own absurdity. Hope I've still got them all...

Wow - you've got to admire the entrepreneurial spirit. Alan sugar's probably to blame. It's like a more middle class version of the copycat thing with the little girl going missing. Anyway I think this whole business is just the tip of the iceberg of a much larger plot involving the Canoe World...

Somehow hadn't seen this before but it's rather wonderful on several levels. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value=""></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425"...

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Yeah, looks like good stuff. Link was broken though. This works: http://www.zmag.org/zmag/viewArticle/13107 Good thread, I can see that a lot of this stuff was covered there - also that I didn't really want to engage with it at the time. I do find myself in agreement with much of what Padraig...

Unlike the idea of 'blowback', then. But I don't think that holds true anyway. Conspiracy theories are often exactly the opposite of this - they are about 'them', not 'us' at the centre of it all. That's why leftists and anarchists are often very reluctant to engage with those ideas at all...

Not to get into arguing over details again but I think this still supposes a rather either/or sort of viewpoint in terms of conceptualising this. And it includes quite a few assumptions anyway. As for what 'inside' means it depends on who 'they' are, and who 'they' consider themselves to be...

Yes droid, agree with here on all fronts. Still, I do think that the weight of evidence is that the officially approved narrative does not adequately explain those events or exactly who was behind them. And I don't consider this to be a 'conspiracy theory' as such. It is just obvious and...

Anyway, I'm out of here for now. Don't call me - I'll be on the beach. :cool:

So basically what it comes down to is this arbitrary line between the corruption, manipulation and lies that is acceptable to discuss, because doing so will not put you at odds with quotidian majority opinion, and that which is labelled 'conspiracy theory' and therefore by implication beyond the...

It seems *troofer* bashing has become something of a pastime in itself. It's getting kind of tiresome and a little unpleasant in tone. What is this homogeneous mass of beings known as *troofers*?

But does Heather have a point? Is the appeal of superhero comics that of wanting to be saved by some mythical ubermensch, or is it in fact the need of the reader to identify with externalised depictions of those archetypes within him/her (ha!) self?