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yeah, im not saying its new, just saying its prob inevitable. in new york it was the village pre williamsburg but what was the artistic/creatives hotbed pre old street though?

all i was saying was that if east london is getting too costly and ppl are being priced out then those ppl might end up moving further out to places like walthamstow or gasp, essex. essex could be the new place to watch (im sort of joking - maybe logan can tell us). then again essex is bloody...

that IS big.

chico and rita its basically like the story of cuban musicians from the 40s to 90s (or so) but also a great, and pretty sexy at times romance. music is obv amazing throughout.

that is a good one. very nice. if you want more soca bounce type stuff theres obv d1's ongie bongie but theres also this from a while back which i like a lot too - King Soly — Bass Changed My Life is another one. need more stuff like this, which has wobbles energy/aggression but isnt just...

i think you can say cunt in the same way you can say you old git, its not a 100% compliment, but its not a 100% insult either. sort of an affectionate dig. like 'hes a lucky git' or something. i do use it more as an insult though. it is still quite a bad one. though in the right circles, with...

not happy with rhythm division. they sent me the wrong record and refused to exchange it. had this same problem with UKRS a while back. so much for the customer is right.:p

i was going to do a proper reply (in a budget, cut price, one-pound-shop reynolds sort of way of course) but i realised i dont really care that much. i dont even find myself listening to much wobble (i do like people like jakes, cotti, kutz however) though the argument that 'its all just the...

ive got a cd of young man standing somewhere. maybe its got that on it. will try and find it. this is cleverer when it comes to interesting rhyming patterns than that bluku verse and just all round better:

im drawing a blank for that one frisco on trim's wot (im sure its that one) from soulfood 1 is another virtuoso-like bit of grime MC-ing that comes to mind.

yes i think thats what it is. you can tell on a track like this hes really trying to develop and be a bit more conventionally complex in terms of the flow so i can appreciate it in that sense but it doesnt really have the excitement of his old verses. but youre right actually, something like...

was surprised to see this featured in a guardian music column. http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/jun/30/lady-gaga-rihanna

i didnt say it was bad, just that it sounds more like double time hip hop flows, rather than 'old dizzee flows', which is what petergunn was saying. internal rhymes is not something grime mcs do very much in my experience. internal rhymes is what guys like nas are famous for. obv im not saying...

he sounds good but the flow is a lot more standard hip hop double time to my ears than how he used to. i dont really feel dizzees 'street' bars anymore though. i prefer him doing stuff like road rage.

but is the audience that was into jungle and garage the same as was into rave/hardcore rave? this is maybe more like that audience. but more studenty/nerdy. but you could prob also argue that dubstep was never the traditional hcc audience either. and techstep is still part of the HCC isnt it...

following on from the wobble/hcc discussion on the ny/london is dead thread (thought to put it here rather than derail that one anymore). the fact wobble is what took dubstep around the world should also tell you that it is the next real stage. the more i think about it, the hype against...

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i just wanted to say shabazz palaces. but to be fair NYers prob scoff at all the southern tracks with 808s and handclaps. its weird i really thought alchemist was creating a new NY sound on certain tracks he was doing a few years back but nothing really came of it. i think its also cos he was...

well in that case i suppose london has nothing to worry about either. weve got what, wiley, mala, dva, tempz, burial, etc etc etc. end thread plz.

the thing about history is that in london, i dont think grime/funky producers/artists have ever really been reverent towards the history. yeah theres a bit more love for it and acknowledgement of the past (weird to hear various grime mcs all paying tribute to dizzee flows/bars in recent years...