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????? I'm uh missing a beat here. Before and After Science, that well-known Phil Collins album?

Because his time was absolute shit, politically, aesthetically, every way... Not AS evocative, no, but that's because the 70s was way richer than the mid-80s. Evoking the mid-80s is nothing to be proud of. Very much to the contrary.

Ughhh. Was this necessary?

You didn't say 'self-motivated' but you might as well have done since you did say 'clear sense of purpose'... your whole post was about 'aims and objectives' :) Surely your acclaim for Phil is entirely contingent upon your being 12 or 13 at the time when those records came out. Because for me...

Stelfox's defence of Collins sounds like a job application... 'clear sense of purpose... self-motivated' ... :) fitting for the drab eighties aspirationalism of PC's yuppie pop yes, collins reminds me of the mid-80s, that's why he is so irredeemably mediocre and he drums like someone falling...

Well, that judgement couldn't be accused of predictable canonic thinking at least....

Well done, you've killed discussion on another thread. Good work! :)

See what you mean, though I don't necessarily think that it would deter discussion. How about a forum within a forum (is this possible?) for announcements and mixes then? (Dom, Sticky just means the thread is always at the top)

How about a sticky mixes and announcements thread in Music then?

Yeh, that's probably because most people who hate grime spam have ignored the thread, because they ignore anything with the word 'grime' in it. :)

This doesn't make ANY sense... Why collapse thought and politics together, when they get more posts than art, literature, film and nature put together? If you insist on merging fora, though I don't really see the case for this, then surely art, literature and film could go into one?

Yeh, well, this discussion has been endlessly had... but it was pretty clear from the interview on the Mercury show that the obsession was hers... it was she who wanted to insist, repeatedly, that she'd lived in a mud hut and that she'd lived in a council flat... in an accent that varied from...

Interestingly, that;s more or less a direct quote of what Antony said when he went to go up and receive the award. Would it be any better if all the acts were of one genre though?

just watching the repeat, see what you mean... intolerable sanctimonious posh brat.... (born in Hounslow).... (I like the record, but I think of it as like an update of the Belle Stars or something... not at all street....)

Those hyperlinks cracked me up too... like the net equivalent of Brasseye (trashbat I spose)....

Reading some of the exchanges on that scambaiters site linked to above, a question occurs to me: why hasn't someone done a combination of That's Life, the Cook Report and reality TV and done a TV series with folks exposing these scamstas and taking them for a ride? That would be hilarious....

(well I'd say Kravitz has more credibility than Doherty) thing is that's the essence of her cool, she is untouched by all the grimness and mediocrity around her, she conveys that aura of total untouchability, which is not at all a question of physical inviolability --- she has perfected that...

In the meantime, this is a nice piece on the sublime Kate...

Alright you've persuaded me, I'll do a post on her over at k-p...

Isn't it precisely because there was nothing long term or sustainable about what they did? The So Solid thing fell apart really quickly (and if you are looking for reasons for industry cold feet about grime, think back to the moral panic surrounding them), while Dizzee's current fate doesn't...