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It would seem not, no. Not construing things in terms of agreement and disagreement, i.e. pub chat opinionism, is what is verboten. Criticism in any interesting sense is not about 'conversations'. It is about logics.

No, because Popism is not a critical position; it's an anti-critical position, precisely defined by a refusal of commitment. Because commitment is itself 'rockist'. Let's be clear: Popism exists in the world - of course it does, it is everywhere you look IN THE INDUSTRY ITSELF - it's just that...

It is the clearest statement of the bourgeois values that dominate the Pop industry; that is how it is hegemonic. It doesn't create that hegemony, it merely expresses it. If you don't subscribe to the binary 'libidinizing'/ 'delibidinizing', you are probably a victim-advocate of Popism. Of...

lol, sorry, that was a bit cruel.. but was done to highlight my exasperation about the way in which an awful lot of theoretical effort seems to be being expended in the cause of saying what for me appears quite banal... ppl like different things for often quite complex reasons... so what?

This post by Jon Dale on an Ari Up sample reminded me of another Ari Up sample.. in the jungle classic "Babylon" by Splash, which samples the Slits' 'Love und Romance' ... I wonder if anyone (mms?) knows anything about Splash...

Wow, no shit, I can see why you think they are winning the argument with incisive theoretical moves like that... :) This whole FIRE/ ICE thing starts off at the wrong level, by knocking out the primary nonsignifying zone of IMPACT of the sound, which is NOT phenomenological, not about...

Better in the sense of having some purchase on reality.

There are obv many different interpretations of Romanticism, but the only one that makes sense for me is one which places emphasis on the Imagination as opposed to the Thing-in-Itself. Kant had argued that it was impossible to know anything about the Thing-in-itself; all we could legitimately...

Quick, before this thread gets closed down by the restive masses Ah! Now THAT'S a strawman if ever I saw it... I have been very careful to say that the sublime is precisely NOT transcendental, i.e. Kantian. I take it that the whole point of Lacan, Zizek, Zupancic etc is that the sublime is...

Yes, lots more nimble basslines please It should definitely be closed. After all, it is intellectually demanding, with well-thought, considered posts from heavyweight posters. Dissensus is no place for that sort of thing. What we need are more threads stuffed with poorly thought-out, off...

But who IS a 'geeza' then and what is the point in using such a depressingly delibidinizing, disintensifying and normalising term? Once again, surely it's necessary to distinguish positions from people: of course, people don't stick to aesthetic-philosophical positions (for reasons of lack of...

That is absolutely right... again an echo of Otto, who characterises religious experience as that which is much vaster than the self, which makes the self feel like nothing... which is precisely OVERpowering, not empowering... I guess I'll never understand what for me will always seem like an...

Neuropunk, again But that implies there aren't _magicians_ ; that magic 'just happens' and there aren't discoverable principles by which it can be made to happen. Actually, Simon, in terms of philosophy of religion - and in many ways, I think that is what WE'RE talking about, in an attempt...

Quite, yeh... Yes, but it is no accident ... if you read Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil you'll find this bleary-eyed levelling impulse totally nailed there.... the aggression of this so-called egalitarianism, which wants to pull everything down to the level of a drunken exchange of...

No-one surely is implying that anyone is suggesting that all gay men like Kylie: no-one here that is. But it IS implied, strongly, elsewhere. I suppose though I don't accept the concept that there ARE gay men in some quasi-naturalized way: to be gay is not only to have a certain sexual...

Yes, Dom's right: I would really like to re-introduce the communities versus population thing here. Because 'communities' ARE self-evident, or are held to be, whereas populations aren't. The concept of 'communities' is wielded as part of the soft oppression of the culture of (proliferation of)...

Fair enough, that's certainly true: but as I said before, it's not as if it wasn't used that way without good reason Well, that, for me, pinpoints exactly what is wrong with the dominant Popist hegemony. And, before I hav to hear about strawmen again, it's worth stressing that these ideas...

But that begs the question about what Ferry's vision is; for instance, he thought that the first album and FYP were the best, so I think this is more complex than it might at first appear. (Eno, unbelievably, thought that Stranded was the best Roxy album). And in a way, this is precisely the...

On Simon's points: the Roxy stuff is a bit OT I suppose, it shd have its own thread.... But, briefly, there's a world of difference, surely, between Roxy and someone like Syd Barrett... and yes, that is to do with Ferry, who is the breakthrough/ break-out figure for me.. Eno was always very...

Thing is, the one group that definitely are Popists are the people controlling the music industry and reality tv. (This is a very British perspective I'll grant you...) The reason why it is relevant to bring up the example of teenage girls liking Japan and Roxy is not because teenage girls are...