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Agreed, except this implies that there is a 'you' who isn't viruses.... Again, I'm broadly in agreement with you, except for this notion of a 'me' which is afflcited by rather than constituted out of viruses... I don't think I implied that you did; I think it has become clear that this is...

This sounds like the Fashion equivalent of Popism, or Poptimism... There's always style/good records [delte as applicable] if you look for it... Obligatory relativism, it's not for the likes of us to criticize... As oposed to white European culture, where sportswear signfiies feminist...

I simply have no idea where you are getting this notion of redemtion from in Spinoza. Yes, a movement towards freedom is possible for certain bodies, but it does not happen punctually at the 'end of time' --- insofar as I can figure out what you are doing with diachrony and synchrony, and I'm...

Hah, Ratzinger is like PJPII without the 'softening charisma'... lol Here's Zizek on the last one....

But viruses can do things that music can't do too, lol. I think the alleged 'richness' of human responses depends, once again, on this secular religion of the aleatory unpredictability of human beings. Human responses are structurally produced by specifiable sonic and social machineries...

Yes, Augustine tooks about the Greater and the Lesser Good --- his problem is to see off the Manicheans, who maintained that good and evil were equal and opposite. In THAT respect, Augustine is not a dualist; but, unlike Spinoza, he remains a SUBSTANCE dualist in that he thinks that body and...

Yes, I can only reinforce what John says. It's important not to collapse Spinoza into a familiar dualism ---- Augustine thinks that the escape is from matter into spirit... This doesn't make any sense for Spinoza, who is a monist. There is only ONE substance --- mind and matter are parallel not...

No-one driving I still think this is a troubling ontology - deeply dualist and implicitly anti-materialist. What ISN'T physical? Lol, yes, I think this is fair.... what I don't like about the virus model is its negativism.... i.e. the association with sickness... but it is the easiest way to...

I know; it's not just thrown on, but it's a neurotic rather than a flamboyant caring about their appearance... was thinking about this in relation to 'blackness' in general and how it is taken to be a synonym for 'street' now... just think about Hendrix and Miles and p-funk... how OFFWORLD...

Obviously, male looks have been a big part of my appreciation of Pop (much more so in my uh formative years than female looks, partly coz I was hardly interested in anything by women back then).... but I would want to see two things about that; 1. I have absolutely no problem with the idea that...

Ok, well that's as concise a statement as I could wish for of everything I utterly detest about cult studs. :D Naturally, nothing about it is true... it's a retrospective narrativization which a priori screens out the possibility of incursion... i.e. it is how things look from the perspective...

As for this political thing... (another thread anyone?)... surely it's evident what role art in the broadest sense has politically now that we don't we are deprived much visionary art and have our noses rubbed in the crotch of the empirical... the chief political function of art is to expose not...

Almost... but the base-superstructure metaphor doesn't go far enough really, in that it implies a lack of immanence, whereas my problem with the way you are constructing this precisely that transcendent dualism: the (implictly) non-reflexive 'physicality' of the sound versus the reflexive...

I don't know anything about Plotinus to be honest, can you tell me more? (My understanding is that it was Kan t who invented the term 'transcendental' --- certainly the concept as now understood in philosophy is his). Eternity isn't in time, it can never be met in duration... Seeing yourself...

Do you mean 'transcendental' or 'transcendent'? Natured nature = nature 'as we see it', naturing nature = the abstract 'grid' out of which that nature is produced, i.e. the principles etc There is no redemption in Spinoza... those capable of freedom will learn to attune themselves to God, i.e...

xerox and xenogenesis I wouldn't say viruses were biological (as Wiener says, it's a real question as to whether they are alive or not) and I wouldn't say it was a metaphor, it's an abstract description. There's a whole chapter (Xerox and Xenogenesis) in my thesis on this if anyone's...

Virus not mimesis All of that is correct, you are right, I was too hasty.... apart from this 'imperfect copy' thing... this whole model of original and copy does not seem to me appropriate to something like the amen... mimetic for me would mean 'imitation', but that is ignoring what is unique...

Really? Never.... All of which proves that there is absolutely no It's the same code that is being cut, pasted and effected.. how is that mimetic?

Once again Simon is right... all of those pro-Pop positions have been won long since....(except with teenagers, actually - you might be surprised by how many of my students would baulk at ALL of the things Simon listed) but that's partly why I would say that neither Simon nor myself are...

Right... so we WEREN'T talking about amen breakbeats then? How do you think they were produced and propagated? By people sitting round on the pianer, 'you hum it, I'll make a mimetic copy of it?'