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Dave --- calm down --- upthread you agreed there were too many low-quality grime threads... Yeh, well, believe me, there are a number of people who feel 'oppressed' by the density of grime threads too.... :) But my point is about best use of the board, not about stopping people using it...

Yeh, what a fucking nightmare THAT must have been... and I wonder why there were no white people to be found...

Yeh, well, you will have missed the point of the piece then, which is only amplified by the fact that more deaths happened than were originally feared.

I haven't seen one thread on an 80s shoegazer band, but perhaps I missed it in the thicket of grime threads. That's the point really --- too many threads and too few where there is any worthwhile sustained discussion. Also if you think it is 'ridiculoid' that folk are censured for endlessly...

yep.. checkthis out seems from C4 news that they much of New Orleans may never be recovered...

Well, I know I'm not the only one ... the sheer amount of threads militates against scrolling... to be honest, I rarely look at the music threads unless someone draws my attention to them... the turnover is so vast, I can't keep pace... Really? I could be wrong, but what I am certain about is...

I agree. Most worthwhile boards have a set of expectations which exert informal pressure on people to post relevantly etc. There needs to be some sense that what you have to say is important enough to merit its own thread etc.

but they don't stimulate anything, that's the point! Plus, announcements presumably get buried under the deluge of threads like everything else....

actually the exact opposite happens tho. Standards routinely applied in everyday life are mysteriously suspended in relation to hip hop. surely exactly the opposite again... like obscure crunk is full of female-positive messages about the coming communist revolution? 1: false opposition...

Obv Blairite quotas are absurd... but you can't ignore threads if there are so many that you can't keep track of anything... This is more like what i was suggesting: more effective use of existing threads would also help: genuinely asking 'is a new thread necessary or can this be posted on...

I have nothing whatsoever against Grime fans ... but I think the scene is very insular. I for one can't be bothered to chase around for 12 inches available in three shops that cost eight quid... There's no equivalent in Grime of the readily available CD comps that you used to get in jungle... I...

Might widen their cultural receptivity, yep.

Well, 26% of all Music threads being devoted to Grime could be said to be over-representing its significance I would say. (And we'd also need data about length of replies too - how many are more than one line?) I agree that the problem isn't exclusive to Grime threads, it's that there are too...

It IS polemic --- but why is polemic bad? Polemic doesn't mean unreasoned. The dominant forces of the world need to be challenged. Hip hop is totally integrated into global capitalism, preposterously successful --- I guess I should save this for the hip hop thread but my question would be: why...

and it shouldn't lose it --- isn't that more of a reason why fewer, better quality threads is the way forward, that way the insights get shared and considered, rather than disappearing instantly? I mean, I do think part of the problem with Grime is that it is so insular, but that's another story.

well, at least hip hop fans are good for something.... :)

and also lots of boring looking fellas with headphones and laptops it would seem... in any case, your point was ...?

yes, exactly Yep, quite. Surely it's a discussion board, which requires sustained discussion, not a blizzard of quips and disconnected facts.... Does Paul M really think that we need MORE grime threads, rather than fewer, better quality, more sustained threads? Yes, hip hop WAS sonically...

Sure but I think maybe it's to do with worldliness ---- neither The Cure nor Skinnny Puppy have the same centrality in culture that hip hop now occupies ---- Put simply hip hop IS mainstream culture IS capitalism in a way that neither The Cure (not at the time of Pornography anyhow) nor S P were...

because there are, like, a million already....