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My feelings exactly yes, yes. Sadly that is the London gig experience in a nutshell. Can't understand why you'd pay 20 quid to stand and talk to your mates. When we went to see Skinny Puppy a few weeks ago, there was a fellow near me who didn't look at the stage once... kept looking over his...

I know that I won't be very popular for saying it but I'm afraid I hate the carnival... just don't see the appeal of being massively crowded in narrow streets... It's always felt a bit dissolute and uninvolving to me, as if I am never quite where it is happening... On the Grace Jones thing...

I think where I disagree is on the question of iconoclasm. For me it is the reverse: the Kate Bush original was groundbreaking and avant-garde, the Futureheads cover is meat and potatoes bog standard r and r... Where is the iconoclasm in that? It's like doing a Picasso painting as trad...

Surprised no-one has mentioned Ferry yet, since he virtually invented the trend for re-interpreting songs like this in rock --- very much NOT a rock thing before --- with a Duchamp theory of found objects --- his 'scandalous' re-arrangement of Dylan's 'A Hard Rain's a Gonna Fall' is the obvious...

eerie

this piece on The Shining is very good

A quote from Simon is in fact on the back of my version of Postmodernism

can be somewhat ponderous at times, but 'Postmodernism, or the Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism' (the short essay) is indispensable... the full length book adds little... Jameson deserves a lot of credit for sticking with Marxism when it was at its lowest ebb...

Warm Leatherette = cold, surely There's hot and cold Goth: Birthday Party - always hot Banshees - The Scream - cold Kiss in the Dream House - hot, or as Jon Dale had it, humid (interesting how hot/cold crosses with dry/wet actually)

and student disco classix too Yes, that's it.... mid-80s are where Lad meets Gay.. ghastly :) nice way of putting it... think the de-Ballardization of mid 80s stuff has a great deal to do with finding technology comfortable; it was no longer a problem, no longer had to presented...

Owen, think there might be a generational thing here lol liked those records at the time but now find them just horribly time-bound to what was in retrospect an awful period, with misplaced loyalty to NO blinding me to the fact that they were already half way to Lad Central... funnily enough...

I can't believe you say that.... for me those records are absolutely awful... Unlistenable... I'd be stunned if I was on my own on this...

I wouldn't say I've always loved the idea of UR much more than the actual records, but that's almost the case. How couldn't I adore the fusion of revolutionary politics, techno, militaria, myth, comics, SF, maroon/pirate counter-history, oceanic esoterrorism, wacked out science, the whole...

Actually I think it was on BBC3 not 4... Perfect Kiss... for me, painfully awful now... I have all their singles up to Technique I think, but there's something in general about that mid-80s period (the fairlight clunk a sonic equivalent to big hair and shoulder-pads) which makes it horribly...

No but i heard that they played '100 Years' and that they were at their bleak best. Has to be better than Razorlight and Snow Patrol, eh? (Maybe it will be repeated on BBC Four?)

Sorry haven't ignored this thread.... it had passed me by! Thanks for kind words from everyone... much appreciated... I did what I always do for long music posts, and try and get into what Tom Vague used to call method criticism... completely immerse myself in the albums for a week or two then...

at the Astoria?

It's brilliant, this.... captures something about that period of the early eighties... and laugh-out-loud funny in parts...

'Sole' explanation? I think not. _Some_ explanation; well, yes... In any case why would cultural repulsion be _opposed_ to a horror of the Western occupation of the middle-East? Many views are shared by these two groups... doesn't mean they are wrong though (this is a version of what I call...