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  1. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    That is partly true. Some Haredim oppose Israel on the grounds that only the Messiah can initiate a Jewish state (there's more to it than that but that's the basic idea). Some - a significant minority, at least - are Zionists. I should have clarified that the Haredi thing overlaps with...
  2. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    This isn't like incumbent White House staff gluing locks shut or whatever to mess with the incoming staff tho. It's appointing a dangerous fanatic - literally, a terrorist - to a very sensitive and at least symbolically important position at the most dangerous possible time, a situation that...
  3. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    Unfortunately the latter I think Who knows what will happen in the wake of the chaos this war generates, and it's possible Lapid could return to power. But demographically as I think I said in the longer-term the indicators are bad. Israel is likely to get more religious, more hardline, less...
  4. padraig (u.s.)

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    I thought I understood how deeply in thrall to the settlers Netanyahu was, but I underestimated. The fact that someone like Sukkot as gone from a Shin Bet target for perpetrating terrorism to literally overseeing WB security tells you everything you need to know about how Israel has changed in...
  5. padraig (u.s.)

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    In today's settler fanatic news, Netanyahu just appointed this guy to head the Knesset's West Bank security sub-committee https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-771210 Hard to convey what a terrible idea this is. Zvi Sukkot is the living embodiment of hardline settler violence. It's like...
  6. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    Yeah, PA with zero credibility among Palestinians and a defanged Hamas to still serve as a pressure outlet is ideal short-term outcome for Israeli govt.
  7. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    Btw in re the mothers of the border communities bringing Netanyahu down, there's a direct precedent The downfall of Meir's govt after the 73 war began with a single Israeli soldier - Motti Ashkenazi, who commanded the only Bar Lev line fort not to fall to the Egyptian attack - beginning a solo...
  8. padraig (u.s.)

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    Aside: that Scottish accent really caught me off guard
  9. padraig (u.s.)

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    As a lot of people have mentioned on Twitter, Wolf Blitzer began his career as essentially a hasbara propagandist - literally worked for AIPAC in the 70s - so if he even is incredulous you know it's truly fucked
  10. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    A couple other relevant bits from Haaretz Lebanese govt basically begging Hezbollah not to get stuck in bc of how messed up Lebanon is rn and the devastation and Israeli invasion would cause. And a number of senior Israeli defense officials (albeit mostly retired ones) backing an "all for...
  11. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    Back to relevant news Haaretz remains the only major Israeli media outlet worth following (that I know of at least). Behind a paywall but I'll c+p a couple relevant bits. On settler extremism On Israeli anger at Netanyahu. The context is a tweet he posted falsely claiming that didn't ignore...
  12. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    As always, not going to take your typical sealioning bait, but just to clarify your typical thing of trying to put words in my mouth to make it seem as if we agree. None of this happened. Your opinions on trans rights are bad because they're bad opinions, as well as generally quite ignorant...
  13. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    Back on topic, Blinken said today that the endgame in Gaza should be a handover to the Palestinian Authority, so the groundwork for that eventuality is already being laid
  14. padraig (u.s.)

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    It's been crystal clear from day one People yelling about cancel culture are generally the same exact people who want to ban books, ban queer people from public life, mandate their own fantasy version of history (i.e. "slavery taught slaves useful skills"), etc. Scratch a self-proclaimed free...
  15. padraig (u.s.)

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    I appreciate yr efforts at common sense but cmon dude this whole line of attack is so dumb that it's not worth engaging. I mean "haha dissensus more like CONsensus amirite" is on the level of I'm rubber you're glue, when you hear it coming from an adult you just feel embarrassed for them...
  16. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    I don't think anything will help tbh. I don't even know if the unthinkable, a public American govt disavowal, would stop it. not that it's forthcoming, either way strangely enough, U.S. military aid might get held up at least temporarily by House GOP infighting
  17. padraig (u.s.)

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    this is certainly the worst it's ever been. apartheid has always accurately described the situation of Palestinians in the territories but I would've always, with the possible exception of Sabra and Shatila, strenuously disputed "genocide" before this terrible siege. idk what else to call...
  18. padraig (u.s.)

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    depressingly, I find something like this to be the most likely outcome again, the response - both physical response and rhetorical - to previous attacks has left Israeli leadership with very few options, especially this group of far-right Israeli leadership which is largely beholden to...
  19. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    On ne peut point regner innocemment
  20. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    That ain't morality, boss You can one have one or other but not both
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