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no you're right of course, notoriously every successful deal in human history has been achieved by sending a negotatior who didn't know anything about either side or what they wanted that was the British approach to Indian partition and as we all know that was a huge success with minimal...

the only simplistic takes are your fantasy cardboard cutout version of "leftists" and "perennial moralizing dichotomies" nothing is simple. nothing is ever simple. the two founding generations of Israel were overwhelmingly left-wing and they did many terrible things - the expulsions of 1948...

come on bro it's not buried 40 pages back or whatever, I literally posted about this yesterday this is why no one takes you seriously, or one of the reasons at least. you don't even make the effort to read things that are spoonfed to you.

I like how every single time it's demonstrated you guys have absolutely no clue what you're talking about your last resort is "facts and books are for losers bro" and I thought you were supposed to be the erudite one of the RW crew with your utilitarian larping lol Like there's people out...

Good luck selling that position to anyone It's not as crazy as the (very) rare takes you see on Twitter of tankies or whoever uncritically supporting Hamas actions but yeah I mean come on Disproportionate response, collective punishment, indiscriminate killing of civilians, apartheid, etc...

And Netanyahu was forced to suspend a minister from Otzma Yehudit - Itamar Ben-Gvir's party - for suggesting they could drop a nuke on Gaza https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-minister-amichai-eliyahu-suspend-benjamin-netanyahu-nuclear-bomb-gaza-hamas-war/

The editor of Israel's RW English language newspaper published an editorial a couple days ago saying if you're not with is you're not a real Jew https://m.jpost.com/opinion/article-771479

Takes a lot of courage to do this in Israel rn A lot more than it takes to join the chorus of voices calling for more blood

As abhorrent as I find many of your views, credit where it's due, the last few posts here are very solid. The only point I'd really dispute is that this is Netanyahu's goal - or, the goal of individual politicians and parties - rather than a consistent universal Israeli goal over the last 56...

"It became necessary to destroy the town to save it"

Netanyahu's policy since 2009 has to been strengthen Hamas and weaken the PA in service of preventing a Palestinian state. It's no secret, and has been widely remarked upon by Israeli politicians, intelligence chiefs, etc as well as foreign observers. I brought it up two weeks ago

(btw, don't want to imply by heavily referencing Haaretz that it's perfect. They for example published an insane editorial by Benny Morris a few days ago arguing that Israel should attack Iran while the iron is hot. But it is the only major Israeli outlet I know that offers a diverse range of...

As I said to your mate chava, please learn literally anything about Israel before continuing to speak from a place of such deep ignorance

Here's Smotrich trying to set the West Bank on fire so the settler fanatics can live out their Amalek fantasy

That's not even counting the large # of cabinet ministers and MKs - it's basically the default Likud position - who advocate for full annexation of the WB and expulsion of Palestinians to Jordan (in this fantasy scenario, Egypt agrees to take on Gaza for...reasons). Or the attacks of the...

you're literally describing a significant portion of the current Israeli govt. Ben-Gvir, Smotrich, Avi Maoz, Zvi Sukkot (a literal terrorist), Moshe Gafni, Orit Strook, etc. here's Yitzhak Pindrus, who said that queer people are a bigger threat to Israel than Hamas...

Sure, there is some % exceptions As the article notes, it's often difficult for them to transition to the regular economy bc they go to religious high schools that don't have a core focus on math, sciences, language, etc so they lack basic skills. Kudos to people trying to make that leap, tbc.

Yes. They can serve but they're not obligated to. The same thing is true for Israeli Arabs but that makes much more sense. Basically they subsist off the taxes of secular Israelis via govt stipends and are protected by the IDF while simultaneously telling secular Israels that they're not real...

The main point w/Haredi politically is that they're as you might imagine extremely socially conservative, and an Israel that is like, 40% Haredi, will probably look a lot more like a theocracy The main Haredi party has traditionally been Shas who advocate among other things for the imposition...