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Some of it does, i.e. Sharon was Gush Emunim's most important patron. Stuff like "from the Euphrates to the Nile" absolutely doesn't tho Neither does the open endorsement of apartheid "accept our sovereignty without having civil rights or leave". Even the racist Basic Law didn't go there. It's...

Yeah I saw that Who does Israeli govt really expect to believe such ludicrous horseshit? Not to mention how it cheapens the Holocaust

Isaac Chotiner did an interview with a hardline settler activist, and it is nuts If you have any interest in the religious settler mindset, read it https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-extreme-ambitions-of-west-bank-settlers Only caveat I'd make is that religious settlers like her are...

The ethnic cleansing hits just keep on coming one of the many crazy things about the last few weeks is how the official position seems to have gone from "there were no expulsions, they left voluntarily" to "the expulsions were justified, let's do more". denial of intentional expulsions...

btw in re Israeli critiques of occupation, possibly the first and probably still the best is by Yeshayahu Leibowitz written in 1968, eerie in its prescience. if you read anything on what the occupations have meant for Israel, make it this. an excerpt:

where droid and I probably differ is how thoroughly sick a society we think Israel has become there is still the Israel of B'Tselem, Haaretz, +972, Breaking the Silence, Yesh Din, etc, an Israel with the ability to be self-critical and the courage to pursue peaceful coexistence. there are...

sure like I said everything exists within some greater context. what I think is incorrect is the flattening of any situation but particularly Isr-Pal to fit into into a narrow geopolitical context. there was for example much discussion of Oct 7 as a response to the Abraham Accords and other...

there's a long-running tendency for observers to overstate the geopolitics tho. obv Israeli and Palestinian actors operate in that context, but I think they should be viewed primarily in terms of their own motivations unless there's some compelling reason to do otherwise. i.e. the initial rush...

back on topic, the censure of Rashida Tlaib you expect petty hyperpartisan nonsense from MJT etc but 22 Democrats voting for it is an embarrassment just further proof that there's no acceptable way to publicly espouse the Palestinian cause in the American political class and media she's...

yeah it sucks that every serious topic on dissensus is like this now it's not even discussion, topic itself is irrelevant, biscuits et al just turn up to whatever thread is extant to recite the same bullshit reminds me of the inevitable handful of Trotskyists who turn up any large anti-war or...

yes that was quite good, thanks. if you missed it, I've posted several times in this thread about Netanyahu in Israeli politics and his alliance of RW populism to settlers and Haredim, the outsize influence of hardline religious settlers in the govt, his policy of strengthening Hamas and...

from the LRB, a secular left Israeli Arab perspective https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v45/n21/amjad-iraqi/after-the-flood

[btw if you don't want to read these long posts, don't. they're basically me working thru a synthesis what you could find in greater detail elsewhere for my own benefit, so that I can have a better understanding.] I don't want to endlessly hammer this point, but that sickness of the...

it's certainly not unique to Israelis. I think it's primarily an artifact of the self-righteousness that made sense in fighting what they perceived as wars of potential annihilation against the Arab states, but which now seems bewildering, as well as frequently disgusting to outsiders watching...

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2023-11-02/ty-article-opinion/.premium/israel-beware-nationalist-haredis-are-in-a-state-of-ecstasy/0000018b-8c23-d7a8-afcf-aea34fd90000...

Back on topic, Abbas called for a ceasefire and a return to negotiations based on a two-state solution with 1967 borders. Yunno like every prior negotiation ever. Definitely not gonna happen with this Israeli govt.

You were right, just let it go man Let's just focus on relevant things. People will make relevant posts.

Yeah I'm done with you man Made an honest effort, that's that No more food for the troll

Yeah bro my next post was gonna be I'm done with biscuits in this thread just like chava. I tried. You can only do so much.

Game theory lunatics are a special breed Kind of a cousin to absolutist free market cheerleaders Same demented abstract logic that immediately bursts into flames upon any contact with a real, tangible situation