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  1. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    It's not new. U.S. did the same thing in Vietnam with Rolling Thunder, had a nominally objective system for grading targets by both military value and collateral damage and McNamara would assign them a grade. The A.I. thing is just a buzzy modern iteration of the same idea. The main takeaway...
  2. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    Also interesting, despite its overwhelming PR success, there's a widespread belief in Israel that its global public image problems are a PR issue rather than one of substance or morality I don't expect anyone to read it, but this paper by an Israeli think tank about that mistaken belief is...
  3. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    those kinds of hyperbolic exchanges are common to all wars, which is kind of your point but it is also important to understand how elaborate Israel's PR regime is, and how social media discourse is one aspect, albeit a minor one, of information warfare. as Aviva Klompas (who runs a prominent...
  4. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    Anyway, this is just typical biscuits horseshit of fixating on single point with willful misunderstanding and endlessly shifting goalposts bc you're incapable of arguing anything on merits. It's been answered in far more detail than it deserved and I'm done with it. Edit: I thought I'd seen the...
  5. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    I reject that binary entirely. I'd prefer that Palestinians be neither killed in massive numbers by a military campaign of collective punishment nor ethnically cleansed via expulsion. I'd also like Israeli politicians, and their shills, to stop advocating for forced population transfer in...
  6. padraig (u.s.)

    Trump

    but Russia has been a power broker the middle east for most of the post-WWII era, and historically contended with the Ottoman Empire. one of its two imperial backyards is right next door in Central Asia. the anomaly was its inability to project power during the chaotic mess of the post-Soviet...
  7. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    Btw that post was so dumb that if it was anyone besides biscuits I would take it as over the top Onion style satire of RW Israeli rhetoric
  8. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    This is some feeble, absurd nonsense even by biscuit's very low standards But I'll address it bc it's based in the racist idea, often expressed by Zionists, most famously Golda Meir, that Arabs are interchangeable and there is no such thing as a Palestinian people Egypt is not the Palestinian...
  9. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    the latest on Bibi's efforts to cling to power https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/pm-lobbying-likud-mks-saying-only-he-can-prevent-a-palestinian-state-in-gaza-west-bank-report/
  10. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    and Douglas Murray is absolute garbage btw he's basically a secular version of evangelicals who like Israel for their own bananas eschatological reasons, only in his case he likes it bc it's an ethnostate which heavily restricts immigration and where politicians can get away with publicly...
  11. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    also I have talked a lot of justified shit about Haredim in this thread but let it not be said that I ignore the positives when I see them. i just learned today about the existence of ZAKA, an ultra-orthodox volunteer organization that recovers bodies for burial after bombing and other attacks...
  12. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    some other relevant things that have happened lately Hamas is dragging out the hostage exchanges as predicted and the Israeli govt seems pretty content to let them three Palestinian-American college students were shot and badly wounded in Burlington VT in a probable tho yet to be confirmed...
  13. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    it's the same with the West Bank. Annexation has been gathering momentum for awhile now in Israel, but Jordan would refuse to take in massive numbers of refugees, and Israel would be caught in the cleft stick between giving Palestinans full and equal civil rights and threatening the Jewish...
  14. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    first, expelling all of Gaza to Egypt isn't new, it's been an Israeli fantasy since 1948. it's been tried many times in many different forms and it's always been an non-starter. and rn is an especially bad time bc Egypt is already experiencing an economic crisis and serious instability, the...
  15. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    it is insane that Israel is so yoked to this egomaniac btw you know what's funny is that the previous generation of Revisionist Zionists actually saw it coming before anyone. there's a surprising number of insightful takes on young Bibi from people like Yitzhak Shamir and even his own father -...
  16. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    well, the anger against at both him and the prewar govt more generally is widespread and very strong. liberals and the left already hated him, so no surprise there, but he's also hemorrhaging support from his base. Likud polling numbers have fallen off a cliff since Oct 7 and his personal...
  17. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    that lady is retired (at least temporarily) from politics but she was a big deal in the secular Israeli right for all of the 2010s big Yulia Tymoshenko energy. I'm surprised @craner hasn't already written a longform essay about her.
  18. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    ethnic cleansing fantasy 2.0. Egypt won't accept 2 million refugees, but maybe if we break them up into little pieces the rest of the world will. was also the subject of a WSJ editorial a couple weeks ago by two current MKs...
  19. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    seems like a good bet that once the war proper is over Mossad will attempt a post-Munich style assassination campaign against any Hamas leadership that makes it out of Gaza (Sinwar, Deif etc) and possibly the foreign leadership too
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