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The other big problem with moral authority is that it would basically require everything in Gaza/WB since 67 to have not happened That ship has sailed They should have resisted the poisoned apple in 67 but it was too tempting

But moral authority thru international institutions, no

Israel is certainly capable of diplomacy and pretty good at it. Look at the Sunni-Israel alliance to counter Iran.

I don't disagree about the basic error, but it's much more realistic for the U.S. to have avoided it. That specific error is pretty much baked into Israeli policy at a like subatomic level.

I'll check out that article, but I have to imagine that has been the case for literally every international order ever created Westphalia, Congress of Vienna, Bretton Woods, whatever

Oh look dissenus has acquired our very own Geert Wilders edit: ah nvm it was just an hmg sockpuppet. that checks out.

If you, again, see that for many Israeli leaders since 67 and certainly this govt, the ultimate survival or Israel is directly tied to the denial of a Palestinian state, their actions make more sense

Bc obv from Israeli leadership's POV their response makes sense, and there are clear potential historical reasons for that

I obv don't think this is good btw I'm just saying it's a fact and pretending otherwise is unrealistic

That's more reasonable The disconnect was saying "why didn't they do this instead? Their response seems crazy and/or counterproductive"

Name me a single occasion when someone from a powerful country has been convicted of war crimes by an international criminal court Name me a single occasion when international law and institutions have stopped a major power from going to war and/or oppressing its own citizens as it sees fit

No offense here, just insane to expect an Israeli response directly counter to literally everything they've done ever

And it goes back well before Netanyahu tbc Deterrence thru overwhelming reprisal and collective punishment have always been Israeli policy. Deir Yassin, Al-Dawayima, etc in 48 (which did have some Arab counter-massacres tho not nearly as as many). The attritional border raiding of the 50s and...

Due respect, this entire line of reasoning exists in a fantasy world that has Israeli leadership acting exactly opposite from the way it always has previously. It also supposes the countries care about international institutions in and of themselves rather than as lip service (which is still...

The point the author ends with is that for all the wild rhetoric about wiping Hamas off the face of the earth, it's unlikely to happen as long as Netanyahu is in power bc they're essentially partners in preventing any peace solution

One very important thing to note is that any gains Hamas has made are a direct result of Netanyahu's longrunning policy of deliberately strengthening Hamas and weakening the Palestinian Authority/Fatah, as well as keeping the two divided, in order to undermine a two-state solution. It's...

Not really, no. Or, it depends what is meant by "military power". It's definitely possible Hamas leadership was looking at the inevitable response as an opportunity to show it's stepped up to the level of Hezbollah, i.e. can fight the IDF to a draw in prepared positions on its own ground, but...

Speaking of which, Netanyahu, Gallant, and the IDF commander for southern Israel all made public statements today heavily implying that invasion is coming soon Could just be more posturing, but if Hamas leadership isn't going to blink over the siege (and it doesn't seem like they will) and the...

Yall ffs pls stop taking the bait. In every thread. All he ever wants is for you to establish a position so he can "ah but what about -this-? checkmate liberals" in a recursive loop of endlessly moving goalposts. If there's a serious question or argument I'll answer it, the rest it's best to...

Everywhere I look we're redoing all the same arguments from 2002 This one is the "we're better than them so we can do bad stuff and not live up to our own supposed standards in order to win and it's justified bc we're better than them" tautology. Whence the CIA torture program etc.