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  1. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    Israeli progressiveness stops at the borders of Gaza/WB. Even if you totally ignore the conditions Israel imposes on Gaza and blame it all on Hamas, Palestinians in most of the WB don't even have basic civil rights. It's like saying South Africa was so much better than its neighbors except for...
  2. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    Without minimizing it, the hospital also doesn't change the fundamental situation. Total siege, thousands of dead, mass destruction, etc in return for so far, a couple of relatively high-level Hamas figures (and an unknown number of rank and file).
  3. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    And here's a debunk of the OSINT debunk I'm not remotely qualified to evaluate that stuff and I strongly doubt anyone else here is either
  4. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    Of course they are. That's not different from any other war tho. Remember when one of the most surprising things about Ukraine was how badly they were crushing Russia in the information war (in the Anglosphere anyway)? And my experience of saturation has been the opposite. It's how wild many...
  5. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    Can't remember if I already mentioned this or not but I'm pretty sure that's referring to Idit Silman, whose defection from Bennett's coalition to Likud directly triggered Netanyahu's return to power last year And not exactly news that Bibi is responsibilty-averse megalomaniac ofc, but a...
  6. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    As the official Israeli hospital explanation is basically "trust me bro it was a PIJ rocket", I think it can be safely assumed it was an Israeli strike unless there's extremely compelling counterevidence. This guy breaks it down well in incidentally a shockingly even-handed piece of reporting by...
  7. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    And right on cue, tho not really gleeful. A former (maybe still? unclear) Netanyahu aide/current influencer - kind of a modern Hasbara guy I guess? - apparently
  8. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    Btw I'd still guess it's primarily the hostages, but another reason for delaying an invasion, if it's coming, has to be Biden's visit. They can't very well invade before or while he's there.
  9. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    Their track record is bad for sure Not to sound callous, but it's obv a PR disaster for them
  10. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    And obv it's extremely fucking grim, even by the standards of the last extremely grim 10 days
  11. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    This is where we, due respect, have to disagree Going on precedence, I agree it's significantly more likely to be an IDF fuckup that they're disavowing than a Hamas or PIJ fuckup (let alone false flag). I'm arguing for a general principle of applying a fog of war standard for any conflict...
  12. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    This I don't buy for a second. A Hezbollah invasion is not a serious existential threat. It's proved that it's very good at defending prepared positions on its own turf, but invasion and maneuver warfare etc? With its handful of old Soviet tanks and total lack of an air force? Come on. Hezbollah...
  13. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    In any conflict it's good to blanket assume fog of war for any incident until evidence firms up. I'm sure a lot of that is bad faith, but you can reasonably say you're not sure about something happened hours ago. Could well have been an Israeli strike, ofc.
  14. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    I have been wondering that myself but they're so publicly committed to destroying Hamas that it's very difficult to see them backing off. They haven't demobilized any of the 300k reservists. They've made an effort, however half-hearted, to clear people out of the battlespace. I would guess the...
  15. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    yeah the idea that the Israeli govt would sacrifice ~1500 Israelis (plus impending war casualties), severely damage the air of invincibility it cultivates as part of deterrence, initiate a massive callup, start a multifront war that might drag in Iran, and virtually ensure its own downfall in...
  16. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    Every American and Israeli official I've seen has been careful to note that there's no evidence of direct involvement that's also what Hamas leaders themselves have said. Iranian security ppl knew a major operation was coming, but not what or any of the details. and it make sense, both for...
  17. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    it really is tho. maybe I'm failing to communicate the scale and shock here. the previous worst attack in Israeli history was I believe the Coastal Road massacre, which was 38 deaths, all on a single hijacked bus this is over 1200 people, another 150+ abducted. never in 75 years, since the...
  18. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    ah I see. in that case, yes. there's no reciprocal shock that can be achieved. that's just the nature of terrorism and/or asymmetric warfare tho? i.e. there was no way for the U.S. to reciprocate the shock of the Tet Offensive
  19. padraig (u.s.)

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    the difference is that there was no existential threat to America but we freaked out and invented one and our policymakers made numerous very terrible decisions based on that idea there is an existential threat to Israel, but it's complicated bc it's partly self-inflicted and even tho Hamas's...
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