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    Dance music well and truly dead?

    "Fair point, but, by the same token, the 'there's good music in every year' line is not usually used in the way that you - brilliantly - deploy it above. " Granted - my point was more that I don't think either position is automatically correct or incorrect, it's more a case of more...
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    Dance music well and truly dead?

    How do we define formal innovation here? I would argue that mainstream clubland is as formally innovative as it has ever been post-rave, and a good deal more so than it was a couple of years ago. I mean, I haven't come across much "formally innovative" music at all this year, but practically...
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    Dance music well and truly dead?

    Dance music has <i>always</i> been about remixes of other stuff as much as it has been about original material. Yes there is a current vogue for sampling 80s pop hits, but this is really just a natural progression from the former vogue for sampling 70s disco hits. Likewise Franz Ferdinand...
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    Gorillaz

    "re: 'Hey Yah' I started off being very enthusiastic about it, but punitive force of repetition and insta-canonic consensual approval killed it off very quickly ... btw, is 'Hey Yah' the first of this genre, or have there been a series of this type of single?" Yeah I've wondered about this...
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    Gorillaz

    I adored the Ed Case remix of it, but always found it hard to trust "Clint Eastwood" - not because it was <i>knowing</i> pop but because it struck that timeless formula of startling, catchy and being in good taste, which, while fine in and of itself, becomes positively infuriating when the song...
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    Goldfrapp's change in style

    I would have danced Dave! I was just listening to an old Mayer set which goes The Orb's "Masterblaster -> "Personal Jesus" -> "Monstertruckdriver" -> Naum's "Ari" --> that Wighnomy Bros track with the Busta Rhymes sample. Hands in the air!
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    Goldfrapp's change in style

    Owen I have a half-serious theory that the reason all the German producers abandoned glammy schaffel is that they heard the Alter Ego remix of "Spiel Mit" and decided they couldn't top it! But as well I found myself tiring of it - or at least the glammy variant of it - late last year as well...
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    either/or versus plus/and

    "for instance, Plus/And can be very singular and purist: Steve Reich's Drumming. it embraces BOTH east and west, "primitive" and modern, yet formally speaking, it is absolutely purist. " Yeah totally, this is what i meant when I said that even really minimalist music will have some creative...
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    either/or versus plus/and

    Confucius, whose use of the terms are you critiquing there? Because when I say 'ardkore strikes me as "plus and" it is precisely in the sense that you mean (this music works as "mindless" populist music and as "avant" music) as well as in the sense of the tracks being overstuffed with...
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    The Dissensus Girls Aloud Thread

    Girls Aloud are going from strength to strenght aren't they? The most recent two singles have been awesome. Will be interesting to see if they can match Rachel Stevens in the album sakes this year.
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    either/or versus plus/and

    'then again as per czukay, 'restriction is the mother of invention' one might talk of an aesthetics of finitude coming into play --- the fewer resources and options you have, the better the work -- example being that better results were achieved when producers had far less sample-time...
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    those hairshirt -wearin' Dissensians

    "re tim's recurrent point about people legimitising their own subjective tastes with the seal of the Important ... point taken, obviously, but i should point out that there's loads of things i like and even love that don't have these X-factors i go on about, or only have the most tenuous...
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    either/or versus plus/and

    "Yes, but only because, in most real-life cases (mystificatory New Age rhetoric to the contrary) it boils down to a matter of either-or. Most of the time, you can't have your cake and eat it (though one plus/ and that does work is: you can be a hippie AND a managerialist )." Alternatively...
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    Ms Dynamite LP

    The first album was a disappointment compared to "Boo", "Ramp" etc. yeah, but "Dynamit-e" at least was an awesome single. There were some pretty good remixes of some of the tracks by JD aka Dready from So Solid which featured more of her rapping.
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    either/or versus plus/and

    "As Simon rightly points out, the Blarite Third Way says we can BOTH have capitalism AND socialism. An exemplary expression of this would be the disastrous Public-Private Finance Initiatives, which are in many ways the worst of all worlds. (As Zizek says, the Third way is not the synthesis of...
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    those hairshirt -wearin' Dissensians

    Hi Dominic, "but how does this relate to music fandom and music scenester-ism? should music scenes simply press the self-destruct button once its leading lights become "bureaucrats" -- i.e., the superstar dj as high-ranking bureaucrat -- or should the bureaucrats be purged? or should the scene...
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    those hairshirt -wearin' Dissensians

    Agree with most of what's in yr second-to-last post Mark. "So the issue is not the aesthete's question: is my taste better than yours? but: how is this music functioning as part of my life? What is it doing, what can I make it do? The criteria are always extrinsic (rather than 'objective')."...
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    those hairshirt -wearin' Dissensians

    Mark discussed the term quite a bit in that huge unwieldy Pop thread a while back, Dominic.
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    those hairshirt -wearin' Dissensians

    "in any case, what's all this talk of "emancipation" got to do with being involved with music or music scenes?" I'm very suspicious of it myself Dominic, hence me pushing Mark for a definition of what he means when he tries to distinguish between emancipatory and non-emancipatory experiences...
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    Goldfrapp's change in style

    "Some Girls" and "Crazy Boys" are much better than "Ooh La La" though! Seeing as Goldfrapp had glammy schaffel remixes of the <i>Black Cherry</i> tracks from the get-go (e.g. see the T. Raumschmiere and Ewan Pearson 6/8 mixes of "Train") I think it would be a stretch for them to claim any kind...
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